worth filing an ASAP?
04-18-2014, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by aviatorhi
Let me put it this way... If the Feds can build an entire case without even knowing of a report being filed they can come after you. It doesn't mean they will, just that they can. Most CHDO level Feds are wise enough to only fight the big battles.
They can come after you, but if you participated in ASAP the punishment is limited even with non-sole source.
04-18-2014, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Also, unless a runway incursion occurred or some other FAR was broken, it's hard to violate someone over a taxi clearance...turns out the FARs don't really give ATC the authority to direct taxi ops, they're more advisory (except for clearance into a runway, which is regulatory). .
04-18-2014, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by aviatorhi
Let me put it this way... If the Feds can build an entire case without even knowing of a report being filed they can come after you. It doesn't mean they will, just that they can. Most CHDO level Feds are wise enough to only fight the big battles.
04-18-2014, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
I never knew that. You're positive?
Positive. Look in the FARs, find where it says anything about taxiing. ATC is technically more of a coordinator than a director of ground traffic.
But if you blow off ground instructions and hit something, or do a runway incursion they can violate you under FARs such as 91.13.
But obviously it's in all of our best interests to cooperate...two big airplanes head-to-head on a narrow taxiway is going to require shutdown and a tug to resolve.
Why do you think SWA is so willing to cut people off and pretend they didn't hear the "give way" instruction?
04-20-2014, 06:58 PM
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[QUOTE=rickair7777;1625601]Positive. Look in the FARs, find where it says anything about taxiing. ATC is technically more of a coordinator than a director of ground traffic.
§91.123 - Compliance with ATC clearances and instructions.
(a) When an ATC clearance has been obtained, no pilot in command may deviate from that clearance unless an amended clearance is obtained, an emergency exists, or the deviation is in response to a traffic alert and collision avoidance system resolution advisory. However, except in Class A airspace, a pilot may cancel an IFR flight plan if the operation is being conducted in VFR weather conditions. When a pilot is uncertain of an ATC clearance, that pilot shall immediately request clarification from ATC.
(b) Except in an emergency, no person may operate an aircraft contrary to an ATC instruction in an area in which air traffic control is exercised.
I beg to differ, but it sounds like there was no violation because no turn direction was specified. As far as filing, isn't the whole idea of the program to improve the system?
§91.123 - Compliance with ATC clearances and instructions.
(a) When an ATC clearance has been obtained, no pilot in command may deviate from that clearance unless an amended clearance is obtained, an emergency exists, or the deviation is in response to a traffic alert and collision avoidance system resolution advisory. However, except in Class A airspace, a pilot may cancel an IFR flight plan if the operation is being conducted in VFR weather conditions. When a pilot is uncertain of an ATC clearance, that pilot shall immediately request clarification from ATC.
(b) Except in an emergency, no person may operate an aircraft contrary to an ATC instruction in an area in which air traffic control is exercised.
I beg to differ, but it sounds like there was no violation because no turn direction was specified. As far as filing, isn't the whole idea of the program to improve the system?
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