Flat408

What happens to your airmen file if your surrender a certificate and start your training over ? Example if you failed a check ride for your Cfi ratings or your instrument rating and you surrender them and choose to do the training over and take the check ride on your first attempt and pass it . Since it is a new license is it fair to say you didnt fail any check rides if you passed it on the first shot ? I have a few check ride failures and I am considering surrendering all of my licenses and starting over from scratch .i just can't get over the failures after 5 years and 1500 hours . I need the peace of mind knowing I passed on the first time .

TheFly

I didn't know you could do that. Seems quite expensive to start over, but I do see your perspective.

awax

So on the future application or interview when they ask "have you ever failed a check ride" what will you say?

RadialGal

I am not sure, but I believe "surrendering" requires a 709 ride. Not a "clear title" so to speak.....so it would still show.

RadialGal

galaxy flyer

I don't think your record disappears just because you turned in one certificate.

GF

Flat408

From what I have read , You can surrender for personal reasons , now if I surrender all of my license from Private through Cfii and I start my training over , and pass them all I would argue to say that I haven't failed a check ride since it's a completely new license number.

galaxy flyer

I don't think it works that way. You might contact the FAA General Counsel's office for a binding opinion.

Your prior record doesn't get expunged.

GF

Mistek89

I'm sure something can be done

Flat408

So the fact of not nailing a power off 180 etc has to follow me for the rest of my life but if you get a dui that can get taken off your record or speeding tickets can come off your record , even in college you can retake a class and get the higher grade on your transcript . Doesn't make sense to me, you should have the option to surrender and retest or something of that matter .

JohnBurke

First of all, the notion of surrendering a pilot certificate unnecessarily is ludicrous. Set aside checkrides you may have failed, set aside your effort to deceive and cover up your history, and focus on giving up your only success so far. Not only is it unwise to sacrifice your certification, but it's fruitless, as your airman file, with your name and personal identification, remains.

Seeking additional training and then taking checkrides for reinstatement of your certificates goes on your FAA history, and then you'll have not only multiple failed practical tests, but also a reinstatement(s), which looks even worse.

You need to focus on the reason(s) that you've had failures and address those. Employers are interested in applicants who have learned from their mistakes and who have used that learning to become better people and better pilots. They are not interested in applicants who tried to deceptively cover up their past.

Your "license number" is irrelevant. I have five FAA certificates and 11 numbers, from my original student pilot certificate to my current certificates, and a change that occurred years ago when I stopped using my social security number on my pilot identification. I don't have multiple files. Changing a certificate number doesn't generate a new file, and doesn't hide your past. You're still you, regardless of what certificate you go get.

If you surrender your certificates, unless you intend to change your identify completely and pretend to be someone else, you'll still be you, under the same file, and you will be seeking reinstatement of pilot certification that you already had. You can go get all the training you like, but if you reapply saying that you're seeking a new certificate, and not a reinstatement, you'll be placing yourself in legal jeopardy and you'll shoot down any chance you have in the future with any employer.

You keep saying that you feel you could truthfully say you've never faild a checkride, if issued a new pilot certificate number. Perhaps your number has never failed a checkride, but YOU have. You can't have peace of mind knowing you passed the first time because you did not. If you retrain and test again, you still won't have passed the first time.

You've indicated that it's not one failure, but multiple failures. It's not uncommon for a pilot to have a training failure at some point. It happens at all levels of training and certification. What the pilot does about it is what's important. If the pilot tries to cover it up, that says a lot about the pilot. What YOU need to do is determine why you keep failing and address that, not try to hide it. You sound dismissive when you refer to "not nailing a power off 180," and clearly that's not what caused you to fail multiple checkrides.

If it's a lack of skill, then you need to get more training and focus on absorbing what you're taught. If it's a refusal to do as you're taught, then you need to address attitude. You need to address the root cause of the failures, not cover them up. I see quite a bit of attitude in your posts. Hopefully you recognize it too, because if you don't, you're missing one of the root causes of your problem. Tackle that first.

Seek training, but don't try to hide your training history, and don't undertake to deceive and lie about never having failed a checkride. Fix the problems. Then, and only then, can you move on.