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Old 06-26-2011, 11:16 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I am about to leave for military flight training in a few months and would like your evaluation on what my credentials will be when I return in 2014.
I am hoping to come back and get a job with a regional or major airline once my training is complete as I will be a reservist and in need of full time employment. I currently have the following credentials.

- 230 hours of flight time
- 55 hours of multi
- Commercial multi and single license (instrument rated)
- Respected aviation college graduate with Bachelors in Aviation Science and Administration.

As you can see I am not terribly impressive on paper.

Although I believe that my military training will be the best in the world and I am extremely grateful for my opportunity, I will most likely only add a few hundred hours to my flight time. My qualifications once completed will look somewhat like this (estimated):

-700 hours total time
-250 of which is turbine
-60 hours of which is jet
-Type rating Pilatus PC-9 (I believe I will be eligible for a civilian type)
-Type rating Hawker 400-a (I believe I will be eligible for a civilian type)
-Type rating Lockheed L-100 (I believe I will be eligible for a civilian type)
-High altitude endorsement
-High performance endorsement
-Pressurization endorsement

I will most likely add another 100 hours of flight time in my units C-130 within the first year that i return from training (getting combat ready, deployment and pickin up flights). Based on these numbers what is your opinion on my viability in the industry during the hiring boom?

Constructive criticism only please.
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Old 06-26-2011, 11:21 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Hey Folks,

I am about to leave for military flight training in a few months and would like your evaluation on what my credentials will be when I return in 2014.
I am hoping to come back and get a job with a regional or major airline once my training is complete as I will be a reservist and in need of full time employment. I currently have the following credentials.

- 230 hours of flight time
- 55 hours of multi
- Commercial multi and single license (instrument rated)
- Respected aviation college graduate with Bachelors in Aviation Science and Administration.

As you can see I am not terribly impressive on paper.

Although I believe that my military training will be the best in the world and I am extremely grateful for my opportunity, I will most likely only add a few hundred hours to my flight time. My qualifications once completed will look somewhat like this (estimated):

-700 hours total time
-250 of which is turbine
-60 hours of which is jet
-Type rating Pilatus PC-9 (I believe I will be eligible for a civilian type)
-Type rating Hawker 400-a (I believe I will be eligible for a civilian type)
-Type rating Lockheed L-100 (I believe I will be eligible for a civilian type)
-High altitude endorsement
-High performance endorsement
-Pressurization endorsement

I will most likely add another 100 hours of flight time in my units C-130 within the first year that i return from training (getting combat ready, deployment and pickin up flights). Based on these numbers what is your opinion on my viability in the industry during the hiring boom?

Constructive criticism only please.
As a Veteran, thanks for your service...

having said that, you'll come back to an environment where you will need 1500 and ATP to work at a regional, so in a nutshell, you'll need to fly 800 more hours "somewhere" and then start your flying career at a regional... I highly doubt you'll be competitive for a major at the 1500TT point, but who knows what hiring will look like in 2014
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Old 06-26-2011, 12:01 PM   #3 (permalink)
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-High altitude endorsement
-High performance endorsement
-Pressurization endorsement.
Beware -- there is disagreement as to weather you "automatically" have these endorsements via military competency or not.

The guidance is to find a CFI who is also an IP and have them physically sign your logbook.

Reference: http://www.twodogsaviation.com/Milit...orsements.aspx
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Old 06-26-2011, 12:03 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Upgrading to aircraft commander (ie Captain) as soon as possible is the key. That buys you PIC time and the type ratings. Unless your FSDO is different than the ones I've known, you have to be a "Captain" in order to get the type rating.

If you are single and/or have the ability, volunteer for every assignment, no matter where or how long. You'll get some crappy ones but you are trying to build time in the Herc. I've seen many folks do this in the Navy reserve with good success.

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There is no PC-9 type rating. The Herc will be listed as L-382.
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Old 06-26-2011, 01:15 PM   #6 (permalink)
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The only type rating you'll get from UPT is the Be400 and MU300 since they are essentially the same type. I doubt you'll get any bites from Regionals right out of pilot training. The best bet for you is to fly as much as you can in your reserve unit and upgrade to Aircraft Commander as fast as you can and build PIC hours.
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Old 06-26-2011, 02:06 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Upgrade to AC commander if what is planned. I plan on flying with my unit as much as possible and picking up as many flights as I can. I realize that my hours will still be a little low when I get back.

Thanks for the clarification on the type ratings. I was not sure what the regs were on receiving a type through the military and transfering it into the civilian world.

I am really hoping that this pilot hiring boom combined with being a military trained/civilian flight college grad will buy me some extra negotiation power with potential employers in the near future.
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Old 06-26-2011, 02:25 PM   #8 (permalink)
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If you are "bumming" in a ANG/Reserve unit in Herks, you should be able to get 300-400 hours a year. If you want pure jet time, C-5 units are always hiring. I think as long as the economy doesn't stumble and retirements continue, you'll do fine in 2015-2016 time frame. I have LTs, who left UPT into a C-5 unit 6 years ago with 3000 hours and maybe 800-1000 hours PIC/IP time.

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If you are "bumming" in a ANG/Reserve unit in Herks, you should be able to get 300-400 hours a year. If you want pure jet time, C-5 units are always hiring. I think as long as the economy doesn't stumble and retirements continue, you'll do fine in 2015-2016 time frame. I have LTs, who left UPT into a C-5 unit 6 years ago with 3000 hours and maybe 800-1000 hours PIC/IP time.

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That is good news. I am already hired for the C-130 and I really appreciate my unit giving me a shot so I have alot of loyalty to them (great guys over there). That said I will be sticking with them for the time being. I also like the Herk also, as a Rangers son I enjoy it's down and dirty capabilities.

Im hoping to take any deployments I can get my hands on so I can do my part and get more hours at the same time. Who knows if we will be in Afghanistan when I graduate UPT though. As far as Guard bumming, I plan on doing alot of that. Is it easy to fly with other units?
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Best of luck in training. Build as much time as you can as a bum or on extended orders. Get on with a regional to build time. Get pic at regional or on 130. You'll have guys at your unit who can lead you in the right direction. Network with them for recommendations at the majors. Never limit yourself to one carrier . Don't forget to take advantage of the commercial competency test at the end of upt. Keep the lifestyle cheap. Best wishes.
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