Being LGBT in the industry.....
07-24-2014, 07:19 AM
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Being LGBT in the industry.....
I personally couldn't care less if your gay or straight. I'm straight and married with children. That's not how I judge people. I have gay cousins and a gay friend and think nothing less of them when I was informed. What one does in their bedroom has nothing to do with me.
I am certain I've flown with gay pilots and definitely worked with gay FAs and I didn't die from it.
Sometimes I think when someone asks about being LGBT and whether people would accept you or not shows a kind if insecurity. You don't need to seek acceptance for being a gay or lesbian pilot. But seek acceptance for being a pilot who happens to be gay or lesbian.
At my airline, I know of a few who happen to be gay and they don't care what others think.
Nor should they even worry about it.
I am certain I've flown with gay pilots and definitely worked with gay FAs and I didn't die from it.
Sometimes I think when someone asks about being LGBT and whether people would accept you or not shows a kind if insecurity. You don't need to seek acceptance for being a gay or lesbian pilot. But seek acceptance for being a pilot who happens to be gay or lesbian.
At my airline, I know of a few who happen to be gay and they don't care what others think.
Nor should they even worry about it.
Last edited by Junkyard Dog; 07-24-2014 at 07:21 AM. Reason: clarity
07-24-2014, 07:36 AM
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Twk - you're young, and have your whole life ahead of you. You're a senior in high school. So that puts you right about 18yrs old.
Bottom line: ENJOY life. Live it to the fullest, follow your passion and dreams and be the best person you can be.
There's always going to be the 5% out there that will give you $h!t about being gay. Shrug it off, and move on. When you get to the airlines, or a corporate gig, and that door closes... Be the best damn pilot out there and no one is going to give 2 $h!ts about your personal life (this will change somewhat as you get to know your coworkers and make good friends). Trust me when I say you'll always remember the ones that aggravated the crud out of you, and the ones that you had a blast with. Don't be the former.
Keep working hard and have lots of fun building up your experience. You'll be just fine.
Bottom line: ENJOY life. Live it to the fullest, follow your passion and dreams and be the best person you can be.
There's always going to be the 5% out there that will give you $h!t about being gay. Shrug it off, and move on. When you get to the airlines, or a corporate gig, and that door closes... Be the best damn pilot out there and no one is going to give 2 $h!ts about your personal life (this will change somewhat as you get to know your coworkers and make good friends). Trust me when I say you'll always remember the ones that aggravated the crud out of you, and the ones that you had a blast with. Don't be the former.
Keep working hard and have lots of fun building up your experience. You'll be just fine.
07-25-2014, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Albief15
I've had a few gay clients. Here's my recommendation.
Shut the **** up. Nobody cares who you do on your layover. If you decide your sexuality is a political position, or that you the "right" to express "who you are" in the interview, there's a good probability you will interview with someone with very different values.
Do you like flying on a VFR day? Do you like a good dinner on a layover? Do you like to travel? Stick to those common points, not the areas where you are "different". I had one guy who was adamant that he talk about his gay partner in detail during the interview at a west coast start up. He was sure because they sponsored a gay pride parade float and encouraged diversity they would love him. In fact, he was so over the top they rejected him. He had a militant, agenda driven type presentation.
At the same time, I know two clients…one at FDX and one at UAL….that are a "couple", and might even be legally married now. They were good guys--good pilots--who (oh, by the way…) happened to be gay. So…let's get back to talking about that Stearman I flew in high school…etc etc. They weren't there for the interviewer to "approve" or their lifestyle or "validate" their choices. They were there to talk about flying, get the job of their dreams, and move on. I think most of us in the industry can work with someone like that.
If I find out your are gay, I many not necessarily want to hang out with you on the layover. I don't really care two whits about your life story, your struggles, or your issues. Show up and fly the jet correctly, and be a professional, and I have no problem working with you in the cockpit, however. I don't talk about my bank account, my political views, my sexual conquests (..that would be 1…in 25 years…my wife…), or other inflammatory stuff on the flight deck anyway. Keep in professional and I doubt anyone else would care either.
Shut the **** up. Nobody cares who you do on your layover. If you decide your sexuality is a political position, or that you the "right" to express "who you are" in the interview, there's a good probability you will interview with someone with very different values.
Do you like flying on a VFR day? Do you like a good dinner on a layover? Do you like to travel? Stick to those common points, not the areas where you are "different". I had one guy who was adamant that he talk about his gay partner in detail during the interview at a west coast start up. He was sure because they sponsored a gay pride parade float and encouraged diversity they would love him. In fact, he was so over the top they rejected him. He had a militant, agenda driven type presentation.
At the same time, I know two clients…one at FDX and one at UAL….that are a "couple", and might even be legally married now. They were good guys--good pilots--who (oh, by the way…) happened to be gay. So…let's get back to talking about that Stearman I flew in high school…etc etc. They weren't there for the interviewer to "approve" or their lifestyle or "validate" their choices. They were there to talk about flying, get the job of their dreams, and move on. I think most of us in the industry can work with someone like that.
If I find out your are gay, I many not necessarily want to hang out with you on the layover. I don't really care two whits about your life story, your struggles, or your issues. Show up and fly the jet correctly, and be a professional, and I have no problem working with you in the cockpit, however. I don't talk about my bank account, my political views, my sexual conquests (..that would be 1…in 25 years…my wife…), or other inflammatory stuff on the flight deck anyway. Keep in professional and I doubt anyone else would care either.
Originally Posted by captain152
Twk - you're young, and have your whole life ahead of you. You're a senior in high school. So that puts you right about 18yrs old.
Bottom line: ENJOY life. Live it to the fullest, follow your passion and dreams and be the best person you can be.
There's always going to be the 5% out there that will give you $h!t about being gay. Shrug it off, and move on. When you get to the airlines, or a corporate gig, and that door closes... Be the best damn pilot out there and no one is going to give 2 $h!ts about your personal life (this will change somewhat as you get to know your coworkers and make good friends). Trust me when I say you'll always remember the ones that aggravated the crud out of you, and the ones that you had a blast with. Don't be the former.
Keep working hard and have lots of fun building up your experience. You'll be just fine.
Bottom line: ENJOY life. Live it to the fullest, follow your passion and dreams and be the best person you can be.
There's always going to be the 5% out there that will give you $h!t about being gay. Shrug it off, and move on. When you get to the airlines, or a corporate gig, and that door closes... Be the best damn pilot out there and no one is going to give 2 $h!ts about your personal life (this will change somewhat as you get to know your coworkers and make good friends). Trust me when I say you'll always remember the ones that aggravated the crud out of you, and the ones that you had a blast with. Don't be the former.
Keep working hard and have lots of fun building up your experience. You'll be just fine.
, the other, demanding the best out of myself and others. It's funny, I used to be able to go two weeks without a flight or doing anything aviation related, now its all I can think about. The best part, I'm just getting started.
Originally Posted by Junkyard Dog
You don't need to seek acceptance for being a gay or lesbian pilot. But seek acceptance for being a pilot who happens to be gay or lesbian.
07-30-2014, 06:49 AM
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Being LGBT in the industry.....
Should one's sexuality really matter? There are three things I don't discuss in an airplane.
Religion, (I have no beliefs) Politics (they're ALL corrupt and dishonest) and what one does in one's bedroom (it has nothing to do with me and none of anyone's business)
Religion, (I have no beliefs) Politics (they're ALL corrupt and dishonest) and what one does in one's bedroom (it has nothing to do with me and none of anyone's business)
07-30-2014, 01:54 PM
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I agree with keeping it professional at work. I will say that I've never brought up being gay to anyone while working. If someone asks me if I'm seeing someone then I'll tell them and at first there is a slight moment of shock but then it usually passes by without issue. As a lot of people have said, it really shouldn't matter. I have had a few crew members stop talking to me altogether though because of it, but I just figure that's their issue. With those guys in the plane, I'm there to do a job, and nothing more. Some stupid stuff also gets said that would probably offend people but I just let it go. No need getting worked up over it. At most I'm with the same crew maybe 5 or 6 days. Having said that, mostly everyone is supportive or neutral on hue he subject so it's not a big issue.
Also NGPA is really great. I suggest joining. I've met lots of great people in the group.
Also NGPA is really great. I suggest joining. I've met lots of great people in the group.
07-30-2014, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by 00DEEP
I agree with keeping it professional at work. I will say that I've never brought up being gay to anyone while working. If someone asks me if I'm seeing someone then I'll tell them and at first there is a slight moment of shock but then it usually passes by without issue. As a lot of people have said, it really shouldn't matter. I have had a few crew members stop talking to me altogether though because of it, but I just figure that's their issue. With those guys in the plane, I'm there to do a job, and nothing more. Some stupid stuff also gets said that would probably offend people but I just let it go. No need getting worked up over it. At most I'm with the same crew maybe 5 or 6 days. Having said that, mostly everyone is supportive or neutral on hue he subject so it's not a big issue.
Also NGPA is really great. I suggest joining. I've met lots of great people in the group.
Also NGPA is really great. I suggest joining. I've met lots of great people in the group.
You are as tolerant of their view point as you hope others are of yours are you not?
I like the way IFLYACRJ puts it:
Religion, (I have no beliefs) Politics (they're ALL corrupt and dishonest) and what one does in one's bedroom (it has nothing to do with me and none of anyone's business)
07-30-2014, 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by IFLYACRJ
Should one's sexuality really matter? There are three things I don't discuss in an airplane.
Religion, (I have no beliefs) Politics (they're ALL corrupt and dishonest) and what one does in one's bedroom (it has nothing to do with me and none of anyone's business)
Religion, (I have no beliefs) Politics (they're ALL corrupt and dishonest) and what one does in one's bedroom (it has nothing to do with me and none of anyone's business)
Originally Posted by 00DEEP
I agree with keeping it professional at work. I will say that I've never brought up being gay to anyone while working. If someone asks me if I'm seeing someone then I'll tell them and at first there is a slight moment of shock but then it usually passes by without issue. As a lot of people have said, it really shouldn't matter. I have had a few crew members stop talking to me altogether though because of it, but I just figure that's their issue. With those guys in the plane, I'm there to do a job, and nothing more. Some stupid stuff also gets said that would probably offend people but I just let it go. No need getting worked up over it. At most I'm with the same crew maybe 5 or 6 days. Having said that, mostly everyone is supportive or neutral on hue he subject so it's not a big issue.
Also NGPA is really great. I suggest joining. I've met lots of great people in the group.
Also NGPA is really great. I suggest joining. I've met lots of great people in the group.
Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
That should be no more of an issue than you being gay is an issue for you.
You are as tolerant of their view point as you hope others are of yours are you not?
I like the way IFLYACRJ puts it:
You are as tolerant of their view point as you hope others are of yours are you not?
I like the way IFLYACRJ puts it:
08-04-2014, 04:05 PM
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I don't really see how the LGBT issue would come up all that often. One problem you could run into, though, is having to put up with occasional intolerant comment in the cockpit. In less than one year with the airlines, I've heard more ignorance spewed from the mouths of captains than any other time in my life on the topics of race, disability, gender, sexual orientation. I suppose in those cases you just have to be the bigger person.
08-04-2014, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by RV5M
I don't really see how the LGBT issue would come up all that often. One problem you could run into, though, is having to put up with occasional intolerant comment in the cockpit. In less than one year with the airlines, I've heard more ignorance spewed from the mouths of captains than any other time in my life on the topics of race, disability, gender, sexual orientation. I suppose in those cases you just have to be the bigger person.
08-05-2014, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by IFLYACRJ
Should one's sexuality really matter? There are three things I don't discuss in an airplane.
Religion, (I have no beliefs) Politics (they're ALL corrupt and dishonest) and what one does in one's bedroom (it has nothing to do with me and none of anyone's business)
Religion, (I have no beliefs) Politics (they're ALL corrupt and dishonest) and what one does in one's bedroom (it has nothing to do with me and none of anyone's business)
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