Airlines like if you worked at a 141 better?
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Please consider that at least one group of educated/detached analysts says there is no pilot shortage now and there will be no shortage for the next ten years (or more) in the US. There is at best a minor shortage of those who will work for small change in a what amounts to a final-destination job.
US Bureau of Labor Statistics- Pilots
US Bureau of Labor Statistics- Pilots
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So I'm an instructor at a 141 school now but just accepted a job to do aerial surveying. Would the majors and/or regionals like it better if I continued to work at the 141 school or will it not matter because of the upcoming shortage? Doing the surveying I would be able to get my mins faster, that is my main reason for taking the job.
Also, do the papers that the airlines send back to your previous employers really have that big an impact on whether they keep you around or not?
Thanks is advance
Also, do the papers that the airlines send back to your previous employers really have that big an impact on whether they keep you around or not?
Thanks is advance
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No. Net jobs means total number employed. They do not take into consideration a massive retirement boom over the next 15-20 years. Projections say tens of thousands of pilots will be retiring. A net change of 4000 less pilots is not significant when compared to those changes. Also, I don't even trust those numbers they are quoting. What are their sources? They claim there are only 46,000 airline pilot jobs in the country? The big 3 airlines have somewhere around 37,000 pilots ALONE. That doesn't include regionals, southwest, Fedex, UPS, etc. According to Delta, new widebody orders will be for growth, not replacement. It takes pilots to fly those. I did math. Now you show me yours.
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No. Net jobs means total number employed. They do not take into consideration a massive retirement boom over the next 15-20 years. Projections say tens of thousands of pilots will be retiring. A net change of 4000 less pilots is not significant when compared to those changes. Also, I don't even trust those numbers they are quoting. What are their sources? They claim there are only 46,000 airline pilot jobs in the country? The big 3 airlines have somewhere around 37,000 pilots ALONE. That doesn't include regionals, southwest, Fedex, UPS, etc. According to Delta, new widebody orders will be for growth, not replacement. It takes pilots to fly those. I did math. Now you show me yours.
You're right. I think there are 80,000 airline pilots in the US, 20K at the regionals.
I suspect any projected job losses will be at the regional level as small jets are phased out and replaced with larger iron.
Net airline jobs = probably less.
Net pilots still needed to replace mandatory retirements = lots.
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If you're in kindergarten today, yes you could be behind a slow-moving wave of relatively young pilots.
That might be mitigated by hiring demographics...if the majors take enough pre-9/11 regional pilots and military retirees that could help smooth out the peaks and valleys in the future.
If you're in kindergarten today, yes you could be behind a slow-moving wave of relatively young pilots.
That might be mitigated by hiring demographics...if the majors take enough pre-9/11 regional pilots and military retirees that could help smooth out the peaks and valleys in the future.
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If you're in kindergarten today, yes you could be behind a slow-moving wave of relatively young pilots.
That might be mitigated by hiring demographics...if the majors take enough pre-9/11 regional pilots and military retirees that could help smooth out the peaks and valleys in the future.
If you're in kindergarten today, yes you could be behind a slow-moving wave of relatively young pilots.
That might be mitigated by hiring demographics...if the majors take enough pre-9/11 regional pilots and military retirees that could help smooth out the peaks and valleys in the future.
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Projections say tens of thousands of pilots will be retiring.
... A net change of 4000 less pilots is not significant when compared to those changes...
...Also, I don't even trust those numbers they are quoting. What are their sources?
..They claim there are only 46,000 airline pilot jobs in the country? The big 3 airlines have somewhere around 37,000 pilots ALONE.
... That doesn't include regionals, southwest, Fedex, UPS, etc...
...According to Delta, new widebody orders will be for growth, not replacement. It takes pilots to fly those. I did math. Now you show me yours.
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There is no way they are considering retirements as part of that number. A net loss in jobs means that as people retire, they will not be replaced. It does not mean that 4000 people current occupied by airlines, not including those retiring, will lose their jobs. In this case, of the nearly 60000 jobs, there will be 4000 less. There will be far more than that in retirements over the next 20 years.
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