Washed out of 121 training, now what?
11-12-2014, 10:10 PM
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List it on the resume, but leave out the "Did not complete training, left prior to sim check ride" part.
It gives them a chance to ask you about it on the interview. And then you can talk about it.
But if you list on the resume that you didn't finish training, that gives them an excuse to circular file it.
It gives them a chance to ask you about it on the interview. And then you can talk about it.
But if you list on the resume that you didn't finish training, that gives them an excuse to circular file it.
11-13-2014, 04:48 AM
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Originally Posted by morerightrudder
List it on the resume, but leave out the "Did not complete training, left prior to sim check ride" part.
It gives them a chance to ask you about it on the interview. And then you can talk about it.
But if you list on the resume that you didn't finish training, that gives them an excuse to circular file it.
It gives them a chance to ask you about it on the interview. And then you can talk about it.
But if you list on the resume that you didn't finish training, that gives them an excuse to circular file it.
11-13-2014, 01:38 PM
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To the OP, not the end of the world, but still sorry to hear about your situation. Just curious, how was the interview process? Was is tough…easy, how professional was the interview panel as well as the training department?
11-13-2014, 03:13 PM
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Overall I was satisfied that I was receiving quality training and was happy to be there. I have nothing to compare it to of course.
The interview was quick and to the point: a couple of HR questions and a small handful of technical questions with a written test thrown in.
The interview was quick and to the point: a couple of HR questions and a small handful of technical questions with a written test thrown in.
11-14-2014, 02:37 PM
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I often hear stories like this. I'm sad that airlines don't spend more time with a "bridge program" after indoc before throwing people into the "fire".
Just remember, it isn't how many times someone knocks you down. It is how many times you get up. So brush yourself off and try again.
"If we try and don't succeed then we haven't failed. If we never try then we will fail."
Just remember, it isn't how many times someone knocks you down. It is how many times you get up. So brush yourself off and try again.
"If we try and don't succeed then we haven't failed. If we never try then we will fail."
11-14-2014, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Green Giant
I often hear stories like this. I'm sad that airlines don't spend more time with a "bridge program" after indoc before throwing people into the "fire".
Just remember, it isn't how many times someone knocks you down. It is how many times you get up. So brush yourself off and try again.
"If we try and don't succeed then we haven't failed. If we never try then we will fail."
Just remember, it isn't how many times someone knocks you down. It is how many times you get up. So brush yourself off and try again.
"If we try and don't succeed then we haven't failed. If we never try then we will fail."
That way the company doesn't waste SIM time and pilots don't get black marks.
11-23-2014, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by OnCenterline
Let's be clear here: you (if I understand you correctly) did not fail a 121 checkride--you left during training. That is what PRIA will show.
When you interview, the correct answer from you is: "I resigned on my own because I realized that I was in over my head." You do not say, "They made me resign."
As for moving on, this is no big deal. Once you make it through a full 121 program, you can make through any other 121 program. There isn't a lot of difference between them. This was a bigger deal when the CRJ was new and everyone was coming from a turboprop or high-speed piston 135 operation. Now, companies understand just what the leap that the 172 to a CRJ really is. And it's huge.
As for not making it to the majors, don't sweat it. The majors hire folks with multiple checkride failures all the time. What counts is when the most recent failure was, and whether or not there is a disturbing trend in your record.
When you interview, the correct answer from you is: "I resigned on my own because I realized that I was in over my head." You do not say, "They made me resign."
As for moving on, this is no big deal. Once you make it through a full 121 program, you can make through any other 121 program. There isn't a lot of difference between them. This was a bigger deal when the CRJ was new and everyone was coming from a turboprop or high-speed piston 135 operation. Now, companies understand just what the leap that the 172 to a CRJ really is. And it's huge.
As for not making it to the majors, don't sweat it. The majors hire folks with multiple checkride failures all the time. What counts is when the most recent failure was, and whether or not there is a disturbing trend in your record.
However, will the PRIA/FOIA only show the non completion of training or list all the training details like all the failed sims etc?
11-23-2014, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Concorde001
Good points...
However, will the PRIA/FOIA only show the non completion of training or list all the training details like all the failed sims etc?
However, will the PRIA/FOIA only show the non completion of training or list all the training details like all the failed sims etc?
11-24-2014, 12:21 PM
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waste of time
Originally Posted by Packrat
You may want to try a 135 freight outfit before your next chop at a regional. Your PRIA record will show "did not finish training" so be up front about in in subsequent interviews.
Honestly, going from a 172 to a jet is a big step. You just weren't ready for it. Try to get some twin turboprop time to ease your transition next time.
Honestly, going from a 172 to a jet is a big step. You just weren't ready for it. Try to get some twin turboprop time to ease your transition next time.
The callouts can be difficult at times, with some carriers having a very confusing system. Too wordy.
I am not sure if this is PRIA or not, since he did not complete or fail the ride. He never worked as a pilot. Just don't know.
11-24-2014, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
You don't need a bridge program, just a screening process to filter out the weak ones before you hire them, and a training program that considers dignity, respect, and some flexibility for those who need it.
That way the company doesn't waste SIM time and pilots don't get black marks.
That way the company doesn't waste SIM time and pilots don't get black marks.
This could have helped me years ago when I resigned during training due to being in over my head. I had the experience and education, but I was stuck in the single pilot mode. The company bluffed me by telling me they are OK with sending me to my checkride, when all of us knew that I was not ready. I feel strongly, and in fact I am certain, that they were clumping me together with all the guys who were failing due to their own mistakes.
I really am hoping this 1500 hour rule helps change all of this.
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