airspeed1974

Since I hope to have this degree done by the end of 2015 I'm now looking at filling out these forms and had a question

When it asks to put your employers for the last 10 years, how does one really consider if they were employed? I mean to me, if say I was hired by UAL (just hypothetical) and I left during indoc, since I never got checked to the line I obviously never fulfilled my job description as a pilot. So was I actually employed by them or just was paid by them?

I had left a company in 2007 after being there maybe one week? I did so as I had gotten an offer overseas with a massive salary diff so I felt it was the right choice.

I think I got one paycheck from this company for that week. But never did anything for them

Would I need to disclose this?

dspilot

I think it is safe to say that it you got a paycheck, you were indeed employed.

EMAW

Depends on whether you got paid or not. According to unemployment, I was not actually employed by my current regional because I wasn't paid until after I passed my Proficiency Check.

rickair7777

Any airline employer will want to know every employer you ever had whether you worked there for one day or ten years, whether you got paid out not.

If they find out you lied, you'll be fired on the spot. Don't do it.

Thedude

I disagree.

Some companies do not consider you an employee until you finish training or IOE or whatever metric they decide to use.

Example, I worked for a company that did not consider you an employee until you finished GS. I was only payed per diem until I finished the sim. The next day I was a full fledged employee and all of my paperwork was based on that check-ride date.

For paperwork/PRIA purposes, if you attempted any part of a check-ride, I would probably put that down as an employer.

If I quit on the first day ground school, I probably would not put that down.

airspeed1974

Interesting to see some diff opinions. I would rather err on the side of caution but also don't wanna shoot myself in the foot

I worked for a few companies about 8 years ago. One was part 91 when I thought I would be there a very long time only to find out the plane was for sale and they got rid of guys right before recurrent so as not to not have to pay the costs.

Another was doing 134 1/2. They went outta business years after

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I had a similar situation.....I left ground school for personal reasons during sims...didn't fail anything (135 caravan op), BUT I returned to finish training 5 months later. I didn't disclose I left unless specifically asked on a app. This is ok correct?

rickair7777

It doesn't matter what the old company thinks or calls it (or what you think).

What matters is what your NEW employer will think if they find out that you started training somewhere, dropped out (reason unknown but they'll assume the worst), and then failed to disclose the whole situation.

Besides most of the airlines have wised up, they'll ask the question in several ways...have you ever failed to complete a training event, voluntarily left, involuntarily released, etc, etc. They have their bases pretty well covered with the language these days.

And just so there's no confusion...you won't get an opportunity to argue your case as to why your personal definition of employment is different from theirs. You can argue it here on APC until your face turns blue but an airline will just collect your badge and send you packing.

So really the question is not can you argue the case, but rather will they ever find out? If you're certain they'll never find out then nothing's stopping you from telling them whatever story you like, with as many omissions as you like.

With all that said...a lot of regionals are hiring anyone with 1500 hours and a pulse, so you can probably get away with it at the entry level. But don't play these sorts of games with a major airline.

Contact App

I had to leave safety training with a neck injury and it was called a no show. I had to volunteraly leave as you call it, It was beginning of day 2 and I got no pay for the first day of company introduction.

Some scans and x rays revealed a minor injury and I am satisfied with the recovery, but do not feel like putting it on an application since the company personell were calling it a no show when I was actually there.

Yes I will put it .

rickair7777

If it was a day or two and there are no records, you could "probably" get away with not reporting it as an employer. You can probably make a case that you didn't start training, it was all just HR admin up to that point. I agree you weren't really employed there and didn't really do training.

But what about your previous job? So now you have an employment gap, how do you explain that? What if they call your previous employer and talk to someone who remembers you..."oh he left for a job at XYZ airline".

In this case I personally would probably list the gap as unemployment and explain in the notes how it happened. Nobody is going to think you were "asked to resign" or "resigned in lieu of termination" after a day or two. I would say you quit your old job for a new job, got hurt and couldn't start training, and then so on.

But what about PRIA? Better read the fine print, you may still need to send a PRIA request if the wording of the law requires that. Probably not, but I'd take a look.

People get hung up on whether or not they got paid...I suspect employers (and the FAA/PRIA) don't care whether or how much you got paid, they want to know if you have a history of training problems. Not paying you and calling it something other than an airline training program does not change the reality of what it was.