You can say that again, a windfall profits tax on "Big Oil" could continue the problems at a lot of airlines.
It's not that. Huck just wants to pay an additional 20% of his overall income in taxes to help those people who have been getting all the bad breaks their whole life. I say, higher income taxes, higher capital gains tax, no FICA tax cap, higher gas tax, windfall taxes on anybody who makes a profit, tax my SUV some more, TAX THOSE NASTY RICH PEOPLE making over 46K, tax the internet, carbon tax, luxury tax, a 5% tax on all taxes. GO HUCK!!!
When UPS ends up with the freight, it's game over, move on with your life.
When UPS doesn't end up with the freight, you're worried about job losses.
Just how is this deal different from when Fed Ex got the mail contract and put Kitty Hawk and I'm sure other subcontractors effectively out of business. I don't remember the cacophony of indignation or picketing. And I wonder if there would be similar protest if Fed Ex had gotten the deal...I think not. The tilting at windmills I get, but do you actually think that the U.S. government will force DHL to continue using you guys at the status quo and keep Wilmington open? Before you pull the now common knee jerk lines out, I had five carriers under my belt by the time I was 33. Oddly enough the beginning of the end at the Kalitta before this one, we started winding down when DHL started using contract lift cheaper than us. Maybe I should have picketed somebody. What fun that would have been.
It's not that. Huck just wants to pay an additional 20% of his overall income in taxes to help those people who have been getting all the bad breaks their whole life. I say, higher income taxes, higher capital gains tax, no FICA tax cap, higher gas tax, windfall taxes on anybody who makes a profit, tax my SUV some more, TAX THOSE NASTY RICH PEOPLE making over 46K, tax the internet, carbon tax, luxury tax, a 5% tax on all taxes. GO HUCK!!!
Sign me up for some of that!
Maybe you could also require me to learn the Koran, in Farsi.....
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I never believe everything I read, but hey, let's make it 25,000 then, why not?
Well, why not? After all, it's just business. I fail to understand this sudden compassion you're expressing for job losses at DHL. If it's no big deal to gut the SW OH economy, then surely 25,000 more jobs spread nicely around the US isn't tough to swallow? After all, it will hardly make a blip statistically. You're going to circumvent your previous arguements shortly if you continue with that line of reasoning.
Just how is this deal different from when Fed Ex got the mail contract and put Kitty Hawk and I'm sure other subcontractors effectively out of business. I don't remember the cacophony of indignation or picketing. And I wonder if there would be similar protest if Fed Ex had gotten the deal...I think not. The tilting at windmills I get, but do you actually think that the U.S. government will force DHL to continue using you guys at the status quo and keep Wilmington open? Before you pull the now common knee jerk lines out, I had five carriers under my belt by the time I was 33. Oddly enough the beginning of the end at the Kalitta before this one, we started winding down when DHL started using contract lift cheaper than us. Maybe I should have picketed somebody. What fun that would have been.
I don't know why people in those instances didn't fight SB. The beer busts the night before a picket are pretty sweet!
The DOJ can disallow the agreement. Which puts DHL in a corner. DHL has said if the agreement doesn't go thru, they'll pull out of the US. There's alot of folks around here that want to call that bluff, because they've got else nothing to lose.
History lesson 101. When the DOJ feels there is an Anti-Trust issue, which there isn't one here in my opinion, they 99.999% of the time have some kind of "Horse Trading" between the parties and the DOJ.
They very, very rarely kill a deal. Like I said earlier, DHL MAY have to add a little $ to future programs. Or sale there land at a great price back to the City. Which they can then write off against there tax bill.
Like I said, the deal is done. Give it 6 months. UPS and DHL will announce the Deal after Nov.11th. Washington will be in an influx until Feb. 2009. Watch how the big boys play.
Well, why not? After all, it's just business. I fail to understand this sudden compassion you're expressing for job losses at DHL. If it's no big deal to gut the SW OH economy, then surely 25,000 more jobs spread nicely around the US isn't tough to swallow? After all, it will hardly make a blip statistically. You're going to circumvent your previous arguements shortly if you continue with that line of reasoning.
First of all, don't associate me with those who have no compassion. I think the deal is absolutely crazy. It's gonna destroy a crap load of lives no matter what happens. I don't think the deal will benefit me nor many of my IPA brothers and sisters. In fact, it might be a bad deal for us in the long run. Because I do believe the deal will go through, has no connection on to how I feel about it. I am sure a guy in Timbucktoo who loses his job if and when DHL pulls out of the US market, will be just as devastated as you. And just because you are an "airline pilot" does not put you above them.
The problem I see on this board is that if a UPS pilot does not agree with you on the outcome, he or she must not care nor have any compassion toward you and your fellow pilots. I do care what happens to you not because you are a fellow pilot, I care because this is a trend in foreign ownership of companies that have started right here in the US. We all know that we can be in your shoes one day and that makes me very angry.
So, back to your point. I do not think it is OK for 25,000 or 40,000 people to lose their jobs just to see if DHL is bluffing. If you don't agree with me, then so be it.
Just how is this deal different from when Fed Ex got the mail contract and put Kitty Hawk and I'm sure other subcontractors effectively out of business. I don't remember the cacophony of indignation or picketing. And I wonder if there would be similar protest if Fed Ex had gotten the deal...I think not.
Not too familiar with the FDX/ Kitty Hawk story, but based on what you’re saying, I’d agree this deal is, on principle anyway, not that different.
What is different is a) the size and scale of job losses, and b) it’s an election year, (for another couple months anyway) so we may be able to influence the outcome.
Wait, OK, one more difference. Just a few years ago there was FDX, UPS, DHL, Airborne, Emery, etc. Now we’re looking at a FDX and UPS duopoly. Duopoly is a bad word around Washington.
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but do you actually think that the U.S. government will force DHL to continue using you guys at the status quo and keep Wilmington open?
No. We think if the DHL/UPS thing does not go thru, they’re NOT going to pull out of the US, despite their posturing to the contrary. So they’ll still have to hire somebody to fly their stuff.
Fair enough FO. Sorry that I lumped you in with the "other" viewpoint on this board. I do not think I'm "above" anything because I'm an "airline pilot". I believe we have to make as much noise as we can, successful or not, because if phase II of the aviation treaty is signed so that foreign entities can have majority ownership of an airline in the US, that this deal will seem llike a walk in the park compared to future actions. Look what a 49% ownership has done to my airline. Over 40% of all DHL product either originates in or comes to the US market. I don't think we will be successful in stopping this, but even if we are, if they are fool enough to withdraw from the US because of it, they will be out of business globally within 5 years. That's their call. My concience will be clear because I've fought the fight with my fellow pilots.
To restate, I'm sorry you were lumped in with all the other people who have said we should just "move on, and get over it". Your point of view is few and far between from what I've seen on here.
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