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If the Company approves the mid-trip deviation on a FDX airplane and for some reason this Company jumpseat does not make it to destination is the pilot subject to discipline? I have asked around and have not got an answer.

Thanks

Gunter

Perhaps, Perhaps not. The contract only mentions jump seat guarantee going into MEM. Nothing about using the jump seat for deviating, just for positioning for a trip. The guys coming in to do reserve are hosed too. You are subject to interpretation on this one. Good Luck!

More important to me is--

Will my bank money get me back home if I lose the rest of the trip due to "No show"? Will my bank cover any extra hotel costs incurred?


Disclosure--

I'm not that aggressive with deviating. I expect to get hammered if found in non-compliance. I would much rather have the peace of mind of staying with the company plan on mid-trip DHs unless I had good back-up.

Cessna180DVR

If you didn't take the scheduled and didn't make it for whatever reason on a midtrip dev, then you will be held responsible. Kinda like the guys that dev on the first leg of a two leg DH and meet up with the rest of the crew for the second leg. Anything goes wrong with the second leg and the scheduled guys are protected but the guy who deviated is asked questions. I know, common sense to you and me doesn't always apply when dealing with the lawyers.

The good thing about a midtrip dev is that there is no sign in w/in 100 miles or time limit, so you have an extra buffer to get where you need to be, even if it ends up costing you money.

ntak

The short answer is there is no answer. Technically its your burden. Reality, if that happens and you are up front early with skeds and the DO, and you are not doing something fairly dumb (ie j/s lax-ewr to fly ewr-cdg an hour later) it is generally understood as a "stuff happens" thing. Your ACP will probably get a report on it, but no "discipline". All bets are off if this is your 4th time missing a flight in the past month....

Jetjok

A few years ago we had a front end deadhead into FLL, and after a rest period were supposed to fly the jet FLL..MEM..FLL (night hub turn.) We got a call from crew scheds about an hour prior to show, telling us that the jet in FLL that we were supposed to fly, was down for maint., and they had built a commercial deadhead up to MEM, so that we could dh and operate the same duty period back to FLL. Well, the jet we were supposed to dh on never made it into FLL due to storms and the ILS being down, so we called CRS and kept them in the loop. After a while they called us back and asked if we'd mind taking the company jumpseat (a DC-10 on the ramp that was leaving in about 50 minutes.) Thinking about the canx of the commercial flight, I asked CRS if, on the off chance, the DC-10 didn't make it into MEM, would we be held harmless, or would we be listed as no-shows. They actually said that we would be held liable, if we didn't make it to MEM in time to make the 1 hour prior show time. Needless to say, we elected to NOT accept the company jumpseat, and returned to the hotel, while they had to activate a standby crew to fly the jet down to FLL. Personally, I don't think it matters how up front you are with either the duty officer or CRS. They usually will hold you to the contract. Your experiences may vary.

Worldguy

Thanks for clearing that all up. There you go. Back to work now. So lucky that you guys are immune to the ills that afflict the "legacy carriers" and all that.
Cheers.

WG

Gunter

I'd take it a little easy on the bottle today. Sounds like an angry drunk is just waiting to get out.

Oh yeah...Cheers and all that.

Jetjok

Worldguy,

I don't quite understand why you're so hostile these past few threads. You've not been that way before. Oh well. I guess that you're lucky that your contract is worded such that neither side ever wonders what a sentence or paragraph really means. Unfortunately here at FedEx, we weren't able to get such clear contractual language, so that now, we have to live with "our interpretation" and "their interpretation". Anyway, guys recognize that on some of the really interpretative sections and paragraphs, it's better to get advice from someone whose "been there, done that, and has the tee shirt", rather than make a mistake that could not only cost them some big bucks (you know how cheap we pilots are), but also get them into some potential trouble. Again, I'm glad that you don't have these problems, and personally I'm sorry that you are forced to continue to read such drivel.

Cheers,

JJ

Overnitefr8

I would think that the title of this thread, and many others would indicate that it does not pertain to the industry as a whole. Therefore why would someone from World or any other airline even open it up. Of course this one didn't have FDX in front. Maybe I'm the only person on here that doesn't open every thread to see what it is about. I personally only go to the cargo forum and usually on FDX threads, unless I just want to be entertained with some other airline's thread.

AerisArmis

There is a UPS rumor thread that has 14 posts on it and I haven't read any. Know why? Because it doesn't pertain to me or interest me. We know you're just being a richard cranium, but here's a suggestion, bugger off. BTW, what kind of a reception do you think the next thread that has to do with World Airlines gets?