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I’m confused on how a dropped trip due to vacation could be ‘rejoined” if I selected to do so? Let’s say I get a Pacrim trip on my VTO line (there's a higher chance of Аэрофлот Каrgо buying out UPS then me getting a Pacrim trip but I’m planning for the future – year 2018 to be exact ). I understand that if the trip “touches” my vacation it’ll be removed from my schedule.
I also understand the 2-day rule where I can select to fly if my vacation touches no more than 2 days of the trip. I’d then get paid for my trip plus an extra 2 days of vacation as if those days were on my days off – even though technically I flew on those days.
In this case let’s say it’s a 2 week Pacrim trip and I’m on vacation for the first week and when my vacation ends my original trip has a layover in SIN.
Now what? Can I ask to rejoin the trip in SIN? If so, how would the positioning/deadhead work out as specified in the highlighted paragraph below? In other words, IF the company deadheads me on one of our flights to rejoin the trip, am I getting paid from that day on or am I still ‘on vacation’? Has anyone ever tried to rejoin an international trip? How difficult was it to make it happen?
Also, whom am I supposed to talk to about this? Scheduling or someone else?
The contract specifies that the request must be made "... after his bidline is awarded but prior to the adjustment period ..." - does that mean that a VTO holder is out of luck on ever rejoing a trip droped due to vacation?
Thanks for y'alls inputs.
5. Vacation and Training Adjustments
c. During the adjustment period, as set forth in C.3.e., f., and g. above, the
crewmember shall have the opportunity to select open time during the same
pay period as the time dropped to restore his line to within five hours (5:00) of
the original bid line projection. The credit hours for such open time shall not
exceed that amount dropped prior to and/or following the actual vacation or
training period. At the crewmember’s option, he may request, after his bidline
is awarded but prior to the adjustment period, a positioning or depositioning
deadhead that would keep him on his original trip that does not transit the
domicile. This deadhead must be in compliance with the parameters
identified in Article 13.
Page 188 article 13
Last edited by ⌐ AV8OR WANNABE : 09-01-2008 at 12:12 AM.
I was wondering the same thing. I have some vacation too which could touch a Pacrim trip. I was interested in this section:
d. If the crewmember fails to make such adjustment, the Company shall have
the ability to reschedule the crewmember for the originally scheduled days of
the conflicting trip which were dropped prior to and/or following the
vacation/training period. A lineholder will not be assigned simulator support,
or reserve or standby duty of any kind or type as a reschedule. Crew
Scheduling will notify crewmembers who failed to adjust their lines in
accordance with Section C.3.h. and i.
I was wondering the same thing. I have some vacation too which could touch a Pacrim trip. I was interested in this section:
d. If the crewmember fails to make such adjustment, the Company shall have
the ability to reschedule the crewmember for the originally scheduled days of
the conflicting trip which were dropped prior to and/or following the
vacation/training period. A lineholder will not be assigned simulator support,
or reserve or standby duty of any kind or type as a reschedule. Crew
Scheduling will notify crewmembers who failed to adjust their lines in
accordance with Section C.3.h. and i.
Didn't you read and understand this before you voted for the POS contract?
He may not have been able to vote on said contract. I bet this question would be better understood and discussed on the B&G.
TH1
Both of these individuals post as if they have been at UPS for years, so I think thye got to vote on the contract.
They should just call the IPA office to get an answer.
Didn't you read and understand this before you voted for the POS contract?
Great, here we go again. Just like on the B&G... Look, contract language can be interpreted anyway that the company wants, even if it is in the M&I. JM stated it pretty well: the company is trying to renegotiate the contract through the arbitration process. My point is that a lot of the language in the contract is written in a lawyer-like language that makes it hard to understand, and even if you think you understand it, you are still probably wrong because the company will see it their way. The reason I bring this up is because I have a grievance that has been attached to others and we are going to System Board regarding deviation expenses and using your travel bank. You look at that section and the language is black and white. You look in the M&I - black and white. However, because the company doesn't want to pay out of your travel bank - expenses denied, grievance lost due to no contract violation, etc.
In summary: it is our contract now, enforce it by filing grievances and we'll work toward the next contract.
Great, here we go again. Just like on the B&G... Look, contract language can be interpreted anyway that the company wants, even if it is in the M&I. JM stated it pretty well: the company is trying to renegotiate the contract through the arbitration process. My point is that a lot of the language in the contract is written in a lawyer-like language that makes it hard to understand, and even if you think you understand it, you are still probably wrong because the company will see it their way. The reason I bring this up is because I have a grievance that has been attached to others and we are going to System Board regarding deviation expenses and using your travel bank. You look at that section and the language is black and white. You look in the M&I - black and white. However, because the company doesn't want to pay out of your travel bank - expenses denied, grievance lost due to no contract violation, etc.
In summary: it is our contract now, enforce it by filing grievances and we'll work toward the next contract.
I have grievances in myself, one now that is over a year and half old and also attached to a bunch of others on the same area of the contract.
The biggest problem we got is the scheduling article was totally rewritten and its got holes you could drive a package car through.
The next contract, 800 pilots aren't even registered to vote , this contract passed by a narrow margin- next contract will be worse.
Didn't you read and understand this before you voted for the POS contract?
757upspilot,
I would agree with you many things, however, the portion of the contract you lambaste in Art 13 has been in the previous contracts. Nothing new. Much in Art 13 is identical language to Contract 98. Some elements were improvements as the previous post regarding line holders being allowed to attempt to remain on a portion of the original pairing if they choose.
Nope..couldn't vote, was still a probie..no bonus either
Ditto.
Never been to the B & G, I figured this message board is (was) owned by a UPS pilot so I figured why not post it here? It’s not like I’m divulging some trade secrets here.
So, whether the contract is followed ir not - does anyone has an answer?
Last edited by ⌐ AV8OR WANNABE : 09-01-2008 at 09:33 AM.
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