Wonder how much they can save by buying out some of the over 60 folks recently awarded vacancies. That combined with voluntary leaves of absence could save us a good number of folks. And there are lots of opportunities right now for military folks to help out their country.
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So when does the open time and ja ban starts if this thing go down for real. june 1st or sep or now, of course this is for the guys that really care about the ban.
So when does the open time and ja ban starts if this thing go down for real. june 1st or sep or now, of course this is for the guys that really care about the ban.
From the IPA website:
Q: Where are the contractual rights and responsibilities of the Company and crewmembers with regard to a possible furlough?
A: Article 8.G. “Furlough and Recall” of the collective bargaining agreement between IPA and UPS outlines our contractual rights.
Q: Has the Company officially announced a furlough?
A: No. The Company has provided a “heads up” that a furlough could be in the works, this does not constitute the formal written 90 days advance notice required by Article 8.G,1.
Q: Are we conducting an open time ban now?
A: No. The contract gives us the Association the right to encourage members not to pick up open time and to decline junior available assignments only following an official furlough announcement (Article 13.K.9.) The Company has indicated the earliest date of such an announcement would be June 1 with a furlough to take effect September 1.
I'll go along with whatever the membership says, But I am surprised the EB would suggest changing our Contract we have fought for over so many years.
In regards to lowering our pay, that is not a good road to go down. We'll show the company our bottom line for the future and once something is given, it is almost impossible to get back.
so with regards to a lower guarantee or pay, it aint getting my vote. I will not dilute our Contract.
The IPA is softening us up. If we give back one cent of pay or allow the company to renegotiate our agreement we will forever regret it. BLG reductions are a pay cut. Do not fall for that bull****.
There are plenty of ways to save money. Buyouts for the over 60 crowd should be number one on the list. Furloughing about 100 FQM's should be second.
Oh...and isn't it nice that protecting our Scope suddenly makes sense?
The IPA is softening us up. If we give back one cent of pay or allow the company to renegotiate our agreement we will forever regret it. BLG reductions are a pay cut. Do not fall for that bull****.
There are plenty of ways to save money. Buyouts for the over 60 crowd should be number one on the list. Furloughing about 100 FQM's should be second.
Oh...and isn't it nice that protecting our Scope suddenly makes sense?
Agree on the contract comments!
No one is softening anyone up though IMO. The IPA pilots are the IPA. The EB stated that they would let the IPA vote for any change. What else do we need? Sure, hand me a proposal to vote down. I'll say we are better off calling the bluff, we take care of our own financially if they pull the trigger. Much cheaper for the IPA pilots, more effective (Cobra+ furlough salary to keep house, etc) Rally behind that proposal. UPS will need our folks back sooner than later and so are counting on fear to shake us outta of contractual benefits. They are Purple envy. Don't blame management for using this chip while they can, We just need to answer smartly (we will take care of our own financially)
The company is financially sound and very strong. This talk of furlough serves one primary purpose. Its an attempt to frighten us into giving concessions in our contract.
300 sounds a bit over the top to me. Scare tactic for sure. I would say they could get by with 200 at the very most depending on how much volume they could shuffle to contractors without our knowledge. All the folks that got displaced to the panel of the 8 will be on the list. First off, it costs nothing to furlough them. They would have to be retrained anyway as the 8's are retired and the 767's come online. Secondly, with the timeline that UPS is talking about, many of those displaced to the 8 panel night not ever to go training on that position in the first place, so they save money.
If they were truly worried about cutting costs, they would save a hell of alot more money by furloughing the flight qual'd supervisors IMO. they get minimum benefit from them simply because there are so many, and they make alot more than an IPA'er on 3rd year pay.
This is mostly a big scare tactic to get contract concessions and appease shareholders IMO. but I predict they will furlough around 100 or so for less than a year when its all said and done. Face it, soon they will have 100 folks that they cant train anytime soon and wont know what to do with for a while.
I for one will not give one single concession in the contract as long as the company is making billions in profit every year.
However if they do furlough (very likely IMO) I would probably take a leave if its offered to me, so thats one more junior guy that can keep their paycheck.
Sadly, this is all a big game that the company is playing, and they will screw the junior folks to up the ante.
Last edited by viktorbravo; 03-02-2009 at 03:24 PM.
... I'll say we are better off calling the bluff, we take care of our own financially if they pull the trigger. Much cheaper for the IPA pilots, more effective (Cobra+ furlough salary to keep house, etc) Rally behind that proposal. UPS will need our folks back sooner than later and so are counting on fear to shake us outta of contractual benefits. They are Purple envy. Don't blame management for using this chip while they can, We just need to answer smartly (we will take care of our own financially)
Salty, could you summarize your 'furlough salary' proposal/idea again plz?
Also, I think it's kind of strange the effective date wouldn't be until September 1, don't you think? That's way more than the 90 day notice requirement, why wait if the really think we need to furlough?
Soooo, the company is "considering" the possibility of furloughing up to 300 pilots? Horse hockey. The company is on a fishing expedition, and the hook has been placed firmly in the mouth of the IPA.
If they furloughed 300 pilots on Sept 1st, who are they going to get to fly the 747-400s and the MD-11s up in ANC? The FO ranks would be decimated. With peak around the corner, why would UPS do something so blatantly stupid? It's going to cost a bloody fortune to pay us severance, move us all over the country from places like Anchorage, and then retrain us again when they recall us.
I'm calling their bluff. You want to furlough me? Fine, go ahead and do it. This ain't my first rodeo. If they do end up furloughing anybody, I'm with Salty....don't give up a penny of pay, or any other concessions on the contract. I would like to come back to a decent paying job with good benefits, not the garbage I came back to at Delta in 2005.
As a guy in the bottom 200, I will not vote yes for any concessions while this company is still making money hand over fist. With all the waste in our system, they could already save a bundle by running the operation more efficiently.
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