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Old 06-29-2009, 06:05 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Thanks guys, Strange thing is the other guys that have it wrong. I'm shocked by amount of guys that don't understand jumpseating. I was really never in doubt, but wanted some back up.
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Old 06-29-2009, 06:08 AM   #42 (permalink)
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nice!........

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Old 06-29-2009, 08:15 AM   #43 (permalink)
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Because you don't handle being wrong very well?
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Old 06-29-2009, 09:27 AM   #44 (permalink)
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Half the reason I started this thread was that I knew MiddleAgedBoyCaptain couldn't resist. Yep our little "boy" is 40.

The old "boy" was telling me it was written somewhere and I just wanted to see if it was.
Great. You posted this just to bait someone. You know this is a public forum where UAL, AA and DAL has access, right? You know they are charging for everything except access to the lav to stay afloat, right? The effect of showing off your superior knowledge might be an FCIF coming out to "clarify" the issue and hose all of us.

Thanks a lot.


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Old 06-29-2009, 09:31 AM   #45 (permalink)
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I told him on the phone not to put it on APC!
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Old 06-29-2009, 09:58 AM   #46 (permalink)
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I told him on the phone not to put it on APC!
No you said not to mention your name and I did not.

As for Gunter, I did nothing wrong so I don't have any problem talking about it. If you are worried get a moderator to remove it I really don't care at all. I followed the rules. I was not getting away with anything! I knew the answer but was having trouble explaining it to bc.
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Old 06-29-2009, 10:10 AM   #47 (permalink)
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Perceptions, even false ones, matter and could result in CHANGE!

Proving you're right doesn't always work out to your advantage.
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Old 06-29-2009, 10:42 AM   #48 (permalink)
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No you said not to mention your name and I did not.

As for Gunter, I did nothing wrong so I don't have any problem talking about it. If you are worried get a moderator to remove it I really don't care at all. I followed the rules. I was not getting away with anything! I knew the answer but was having trouble explaining it to bc.
So you post flamebait, and then you and others pile on and slam folks that bring to the discussion other considerations. Very classy. Please respond to my questions then. No response to the questions posed are informative. At our carrier, we were being threatened with losing JS privileges because of this exact issue with the perceptions of some of the legacy JS coordinators. Took awhile to put out the perceptions that we were abusing JS for paid company travel. It was explained about our travel bank, etc. The other companies did not care and the JS coordinators stated that 'we' still benefited by boosting bank by JS when company was putting revenue money into company travel. HAve commuted, know all the arguments since we had this discussion of point/counterpoint. As Gunter stated: Perception =reality (which is unfortunate, but that IS reality)
Here was my originally slammed "ignorant" post. Await your response.

"I am with Gunter.
So if you deviate on same day, next flight or one earlier and pocket the money in your travel bank, no ethics problems? OK, Define how long a time from original paid ticket deviation before it is an issue for same trip/purpose. Just curious? Am sure Jet Blue pilots would be curious to an answer since there company originally was supposed to make coin on moving you from A-B, which because you deviated for same purpose, they now did it for no coin.
Just asking."
Flame away <g>, Your company, not mine to open up this can of worms. Mangements take notice of these boards.
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Old 06-29-2009, 11:41 AM   #49 (permalink)
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So you post flamebait, and then you and others pile on and slam folks that bring to the discussion other considerations. Very classy. Please respond to my questions then. No response to the questions posed are informative. At our carrier, we were being threatened with losing JS privileges because of this exact issue with the perceptions of some of the legacy JS coordinators. Took awhile to put out the perceptions that we were abusing JS for paid company travel. It was explained about our travel bank, etc. The other companies did not care and the JS coordinators stated that 'we' still benefited by boosting bank by JS when company was putting revenue money into company travel. HAve commuted, know all the arguments since we had this discussion of point/counterpoint. As Gunter stated: Perception =reality (which is unfortunate, but that IS reality)
Here was my originally slammed "ignorant" post. Await your response.

"I am with Gunter.
So if you deviate on same day, next flight or one earlier and pocket the money in your travel bank, no ethics problems? OK, Define how long a time from original paid ticket deviation before it is an issue for same trip/purpose. Just curious? Am sure Jet Blue pilots would be curious to an answer since there company originally was supposed to make coin on moving you from A-B, which because you deviated for same purpose, they now did it for no coin.
Just asking."
Flame away <g>, Your company, not mine to open up this can of worms. Mangements take notice of these boards.
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It was not a flame. I was 99% sure but, I figured someone on here would have the no poop answer. I also figured that boycaptain wouldn't be able to resist a comment since he was the one telling me I was wrong and I wanted to know if I was.

It is my opinion that if I have deviated off my paring I become a free agent instantly. I get zero benefit from extra bank money. Once I'm off the hook with my company it's my time and my money then it is personal.
As I've said I told the ticket agent and the pilots that carried me exactly what I was doing and why.

Gunter may have an argument about some bean counters at other airlines not understanding our bank system (maybe you don't either). The pilots don't care, I've told multiple crews similar stories back when I commuted and zero gave a rats arse. They were helping a fellow pilot out and happy to do it 100% of them (and in 13 years of hardcore commuting we are talking about a lot of crews)

This thread has way out lived it's usefulness the point has been made. The only taboo I see is to jumpseat on a flight you hold a revenue ticket for. Past that if it makes your life better and there is a seat open it's OK.

In hind sight I should have called ALPA, I thought this might be quicker, we have some smart guys that read APC but, most of them don't post anymore and I'm starting to see why.

Thanks for the help I'm out.
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Old 06-29-2009, 11:53 AM   #50 (permalink)
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R1200RT,
Gotcha.
Take care. Thanks
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