Let me guess - "Domestic Diva" and only do day hub turns
Actually, I'm a night owl and much prefer doing the night turns if doing domestic. The day trips have too many flights that require showing at 6am-ish, and that's just not my idea of a good start to my day, although I'll suck it up if it's a really good trip, or it gets revised. Starting out in the afternoon isn't too bad, though. I enjoy flying international, too, but I don't bid it all the time, even though I could. I like to mix it up a little bit. I like to try not to visit the same airport, other than one of our hubs, more than twice in a month, so I intentionally avoid trips that go back and forth to the same places, and if I'm doing hubturns through MEM, I try to trade around so that I'm turning to a different city every night. If I really want to challenge myself, I'll even try to find a way not to visit the same city more than once in a month. Never have understood guys who want to do nothing but go back and forth between MEM/IND/OAK/EWR and XXX (pick a city.) Talk about boring.
Originally Posted by KDENPilot
I know where my limits are on being too tired to safely operate, and no trip at FedEx has ever come close to pushing that limit. None of our trips are that onerous, in my opinion
Never have understood guys who want to do nothing but go back and forth between MEM/IND/OAK/EWR and XXX (pick a city.) Talk about boring.
Holmes, if I could hold the IND-HUF, MEM-OLV, or EWR-TEB lines (if they existed) I would never do anything else.
None of our trips are that onerous? Challenge yourself? SNL has it right, REALLY?!?
Also, "Needless to say, I didn't appreciate being roped into what I felt was a blatant abuse of a fatigue call." If a guy says he is fatigued, then he is fatigued. End of story. While I agree he should not have spoken for you, you are not in any position to judge someone elses fatigue level. If they say they are fatigued, guess what? They are fatigued.
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Don't blame me for the LOA, I voted no. TWICE!
Have not heard much about this but feel that it is happening on a fairly regular basis .................. we got extended out here for a couple more legs and they wanted more, but we are just too tired (fatigued) to do more. I made the FATIGUE call and they wanted to hear it also from the F/O, on the phone. So what gives out here ? I would call the Union about it, and they will give me the standard canned answer ............... it is LEGAL
Needing to hear it from the FO is just another form of intimidation, by trying to put pressure on the crewmember calling in if the other members of the crew are not tired. Management doesn't get to call you and ask if you are fatiqued, it is your job to call them and let them know.
I know where my limits are on being too tired to safely operate, and no trip at FedEx has ever come close to pushing that limit. None of our trips are that onerous, in my opinion.
Hmm, 5 Qs
1. how long have you been here?
2. how old are you?
2. equip?
3. seat?
4. ever flown a DP? if so or if not, why? (okay 6 Qs)
Serious questions!
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Now we are moving forward, with or without them.
Appreciate the various "posts" on this .................. we ended up "cut-off" the end of the trip with a hit to the sick bank, and make our own way home however retaining the DEADHEAD BANK. There is two or three ways they can handle this and since we were on the last leg of the trip with scheduled D/H, the end result was being "cut" from trip ................ I want to make clear, I understand my responsibility of making the fatigue call and I have never been challenged on it later, it is a LEGAL call and that is the end of it. The trip pairings are getting more and more onerous and ugly, the system form is gearing up for much more demand. I do agree that anyone Captain (me included), who is going to make a fatigue call should NOT be calling in for both crewmembers, unless the consensus is clear and agreed to and any F/O is more than welcome to make those points with me. I am fully rested now and going to make my way back to the Planet .................. Happy Holidays
Have not heard much about this but feel that it is happening on a fairly regular basis .................. we got extended out here for a couple more legs and they wanted more, but we are just too tired (fatigued) to do more. I made the FATIGUE call and they wanted to hear it also from the F/O, on the phone. So what gives out here ? I would call the Union about it, and they will give me the standard canned answer ............... it is LEGAL
The one time I was fatigued in the field, the FO and RFO were not queried at all (I was revised to go same duty period to j/s from STN to CDG without my FO to go CDG-MEM same duty period with a different FO and RFO).
I know my limits, it was onerous, the company really pushed the (exceeded my) limits and I wasn't about to take what they were dishing out (awake and/or on duty for 24 hrs at ETA in MEM).
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Now we are moving forward, with or without them.
Why? Because my opinion differs from that of some of the people on this forum? Or because it takes a lot to make me too tired to fly? More than what this company dishes out, anyway.
The captain I flew in with that refused to continue when fatigued asked the other crew members how they felt before he called in. The details of that discussion are not open to discussion with management or on this board.
Needing to hear it from the FO is just another form of intimidation, by trying to put pressure on the crewmember calling in if the other members of the crew are not tired. Management doesn't get to call you and ask if you are fatiqued, it is your job to call them and let them know.
My sentiments exactly! What are they going for in having the other guy say he is or isn't fatigued? It doesn't matter if one guy is fatigued or two, If one guy is fatigued the freights not moving... at least not out in the field in Asia!
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