Not condoning what GOC is doing, but they probably need to know if the FO is declaring that he or she is fatigued in order to put them in sick status also, or revise their paring to reflect that they are still on the trip. They have to do something with the other crewmember's pairing, ie sick status, crew rest, DH home or whatever the situation warrants.
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Nope, not management, but I was on a trip a few years ago where we were supposed to op IND-LAX with a deadhead return, and we got revised to operate IND-ATL with a deadhead return instead because ATL had weather and they needed a crew with more duty time available (we were fresh out of hotel.) Similar departure times on both flights. The captain called CRS and told them "we" were too fatigued to fly to ATL, but not to LAX. ***? You just came out of the hotel and you're not too tired to fly a 4 hour leg to the west coast, but you're too tired to fly 1:30 down to ATL? I didn't find out what had happened until after both of us had been pulled.
KDEN,
I agree with you on this. Should have turned this CA into pro standards (union).
May want to see if there is a letter in your file and challenge it. You have a right to look at it.
A CA should talk to his FO about this before the call. If not, and he calls sick for me, we WILL have some words.
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I know where my limits are on being too tired to safely operate, and no trip at FedEx has ever come close to pushing that limit. None of our trips are that onerous, in my opinion.
Not only am I glad you aren't on the negotiating committee, I'm glad you aren't on the SIG.
While you might be a young ironman, the majority of our crew force is not. You realize that safe pairings need to be constructed for more people than just you, right?
Or is it really "all about me"?
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Just to update everyone here, the application of the CBA for us fell into the use of SICK LEAVE agains the rest of the trip, but what really chapped me was that we were just left hanging ................ I had to keep calling back to MEM to clarify what was if anything is being done for us ??? My F/O had a scheduled this afternoon, so he was luck enough to catch the IND-MEM flight which got him back in position for his next trip. I just wonder how many other crews get "left out there" like this ........................ ??? Good idea to get the UNION involved ASAP when this stuff happens to you ...................... they told me they don't hear about these problems until too late to really do anything effective about it or get it addressed, so CALL THE UNION, you are paying for it every month !!! HARD LESSONS LEARNED .......................................
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If and whenever you use the "F" word it is over and done with. If they want to know how the rest of the crew feels so be it. It does not matter what they say it only matters what you say - if you are fatigued then you are fatigued - end of story. No one can call in fatigued for you! If they ask the Captain and he says "we are all fatigued" then it is the companies call - not yours.
I have seen multiple instances where they have removed the entire crew because one of them (not always the captain) have called in fatigued. It is not personal it is just business. Try explaining to the FAA when an accident happens why you only removed one crewmember instead of the entire crew when one said the "F" word!
I don't want to get into "prima donna" attitudes but, as an F/O your job is to support the Captain as long as he is not violating the FAR's or the FOM! If you don't like the way he is doing his job then remove yourself from the trip - end of story.
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KDENPILOT What trips do you fly?, I am bidding aound 35% and there are trips that I would not fly after returning from vacation, you need to get out in the real world of FEDEX flying
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