Agree, the Grv Cmte at the regional I used to work for had more teeth than this one... (Both ALPA). Can't we argue that when the company changes policy at a whim to negatively effect pilots after years of using different interpretations it constitutes self help and can be litigated; that's how we are threatened all the time...
I think I know your old Grievance Chairman. He's an Aggressive A%&hole. He tried to grieve everything that had any merit. IMHO, that's how it should be any time management is unwilling to admit mistakes and do the right thing.
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We "can" argue that (and would/should win based on case law - ie. Delta pilots "work action" when they refused to pick up open time)
But FedEx ALPA "won't" argue it.
Why? Bush League. (or is it Busch League?) either way, you get the point.
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We shouldn't argue anything.. HIRE A LAW FIRM TO DO IT!!!! Pilots are not lawyers (when will we figure that out...)
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Booked using TripManager and then received a phone call from Global Travel (a first in and of itself) saying that with the "new policy" that they will not book the ticket until I deviate in VIPS.
Never had a problem before getting a dev ticket booked first through TripManager, then deviating after I have a confirmed ticket in my hand. Even when booking over the phone, I've been reminded to deviate in VIPS to which I dutifully answered "Yes, I will", but they always booked the ticket for me.
Not to re-hash the old thread, but deviating (aka giving up a confirmed seat and services) and then finding out you can't get the seat/price on your desired flight(s) just doesn't make much sense to me.
Same thing happened to me today... before I could finish finding a third ticket in TripManager, Global Travel called informing me they could not book my first ticket until I deviated. They just happened to beat me to the next step of deviating once I found out if I could make it all happen. Doesn't make for a very efficient operation for either us or Global Travel.
Just curious, if your company's agent calls you during you rest period to tell you you have to deviate do you have to reset your rest period to be legal?
Can't wait till next week when I buy a deviation ticket to mem to take the scheduled flight. I am betting the computer goes into a cannot compute loop and melts down.
I agree that our Contract Enfrcmnt sometimes seems like an extension of management...But, you do know that we have full time lawyers on staff, right?
I understand that; the problem is we're using an old play book for a game with changing rules. In this fast paced age we live in with only about 10% of the population unionized we have got to start playing with a different tone. Managements all over this country have made the shift and we are still living in the past. Most large companies have corporate lawyers on staff, but they still employ high power law firms to do there bidding whether it's negotiating or bankruptcy or lobbying... Why should we be any different.
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"Once you have arrived, you reserve the right to biotch."
I always deviate last minute, or on last day on the back end. Front end different story.
Many open time trips inside of 60 hours you have to have crew scheduling deviate for you.
Never been a problem.
I wait on the back end, as if the pairing is revised or if the fare goes up, I can still get the bank for it...if you are deviated, you don't get new bank amount unless the trip was revised more than just the deadhead, due to non-availability.
I'm hearing international, more and more, guys cant get a decent interenational fare thru corp travel and are just taking scheduled...
Again this system is broke and needs to be fixed....did Capt "O" say he was going to fix that? (years and counting....)
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