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Old 07-06-2010, 09:09 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Are you saying JJ that it is ok to have Corporate jets, and fancy crew buses at the expense of healthcare, retirement and a decent wage?

Just asking for facts and answers but few seem to have any.
JJ didn't say anything at all about corporate jets. How did you get the idea he was referring to them?

UPS is lobbying heavily and it has nothing to do with a desire to increase anyone's income or benefits. If they cared about that they could do something right now by not throwing pilots out on the street.

UPS's motivation is only to improve their own competitive position which is already very strong.

Do you always paint your arguments with motives that don't really exist?
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Old 07-06-2010, 09:21 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Are you saying JJ that it is ok to have Corporate jets, and fancy crew buses at the expense of healthcare, retirement and a decent wage?

Just asking for facts and answers but few seem to have any. Just personal attacks.
While I am sure many agree with your assessment; corporate jets and fancy busses are not used at fedex to screw the "workers". They are used to help generate revenue. If you do not agree with the fedex method buy UPS stock.

You cant handle the truth.
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Old 07-06-2010, 09:43 AM   #33 (permalink)
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JJ didn't say anything at all about corporate jets. How did you get the idea he was referring to them?

UPS is lobbying heavily and it has nothing to do with a desire to increase anyone's income or benefits. If they cared about that they could do something right now by not throwing pilots out on the street.

UPS's motivation is only to improve their own competitive position which is already very strong.

Do you always paint your arguments with motives that don't really exist?
"JJ didn't say anything at all about corporate jets. How did you get the idea he was referring to them?"

Yep JJ didn't say anything about corporate jets. He referred to how cheap he said UPS is and how much better things are at FDX. FDX has Corporate jets right? Ups Doesn't Right? UPS is cheap Right? Nothing new since 1907. What do lavs in 727's which UPS hasn't flown in a few years have to do with this too?

"UPS is lobbying heavily and it has nothing to do with a desire to increase anyone's income or benefits. If they cared about that they could do something right now by not throwing pilots out on the street."

"Throwing pilots out on the street." Yep there have been furloughs. There have been layoffs all around, pay freezes, hiring freezes. It has been spread around not just to pilots. Why would UPS spend all the money lobbying when UPS could just furlough, oops sorry "Throw pilots out on the street" ?


"UPS's motivation is only to improve their own competitive position which is already very strong."

Pan Am's competitive position was once "already very strong", TWA's competitve position was once "already very strong", you see where im going? Tell that to Consolidated Freightways... Should UPS just go on with heads in sand and not defend its market share? Should UPS let marketshare erode? I see posts here that UPS isn't doing anything to improve their position and doesn't care about furloughing pilots. Which is it?

"Do you always paint your arguments with motives that don't really exist?" Really I answered you questions but you have yet to answer any of mine why?
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Old 07-06-2010, 09:48 AM   #34 (permalink)
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While I am sure many agree with your assessment; corporate jets and fancy busses are not used at fedex to screw the "workers". They are used to help generate revenue. If you do not agree with the fedex method buy UPS stock.

You cant handle the truth.
I hold stock in both companies thanks for the tip though. Thank you FDX last year when the stock dropped below UPS. I bought it then sold it after its rebound.

I see the truth hurts a few here.
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Old 07-06-2010, 09:50 AM   #35 (permalink)
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From another site:

"The RLA classification only matters because it keeps unions out in the short term (next 5 or so years). If Express was organized under NLRA and Fred started to shift volume over to Ground, the Express Couriers WOULD immediately start to organize and strike. Even the slow witted would understand that Fred's plan would mean the near elimination of the full-time Express Courier and would shut down Express to stop it. As part of any union negotiation, Express couriers would include a demand that all Express volume stay within Express, no outsourcing. The exact same issue that the FedEx aviation mechanics are wanting to include in a potential contract, no outsourcing of work.

If Fred had to sign a contract that would agree to keep all Express volume within Express, it would tie his hands with regard to cutting his cost structure. So in reality, it is all a matter of timing from Fred's perspective. From Fred's perspective, he has to keep the unions out to let him progress on his schedule. A union could possibly ruin his plans to move volume over to Ground (clause to not outsource in a contract).

1. Defeat all attempts to get Express reclassified under NLRA. (Looking good for FedEx).

2. Maintain the IC model of Ground. (Managed to defeat numerous legal challenges to this structure).

3. Implement the technology (ROADS) in Express to enable Couriers to be taken off the AM sort and replaced with low wage handlers to run the sort, load the trucks and get all pieces into stop order. (In progess for the past year, should have the software perfected in another 12-18 months).

4. Begin/complete the installation of caster decking in Ground terminals to enable cargo containers of non-overnight Express volume to be transferred directly to Ground for sorting and delivery by Ground IC's. (In progress).

5. Start the transfer of Express volume to Ground to save on delivery expense. (Probably start 18-24 months from now).

6. Begin the elimination of full time Couriers within FedEx. All routes would be reconfigured to require a part-time Courier. No full-time Courier would be eliminated, but should they retire or quit, the position would be transformed into a part-time position. Full-time Couriers still on the job would be required to make overnight deliveries in the AM, take an extended break, then perform a pick-up route in the late afternoon. (Will presumably start at the same time Express volume is transferred to Ground). Not many full-time Couriers will like working a 3-4 hour morning shift, taking an extended break mid day (in the field) then working a 3-4 hour afternoon shift. I'm sure part of the transformation would require all full-time Couriers to work a 4x10 schedule instead of a 5x8, meaning no opportunity for overtime. Not many would put up with this for more than a year or so.

It is all a matter of timing for FedEx (as is all things). If a union were to get into the mix before this was completed, Express could be shut down by striking Couriers and Fred would have the FedEx brand suffer because of the disruptions. Fred is dependent on the Couriers continuing their work as if nothing is going to happen; THEN he can make the change to the business models of both Ground and Express. He needs the non-unionized Express Courier to continue like nothing is going to happen to them for the next couple of years. THEN he can drop the bomb and start the transformation. All the Kool-Aid drinking Couriers would be left scratching their collective heads wondering what the heck happened. What will have happened is that they will have given FedEx the opportunity to pull their career out from under their feet and they were none the wiser for it while it was going on.

Fred has engaged in behavior like this before. When Flying Tigers was acquired in '84 (I think that is the date), there were "flight attendants" with Flying Tigers. Flying Tigers offered passenger service on their aircraft to help get some additional revenue. In order to have passengers, there had to be flight attendents. The Flying Tigers flight attendents were unionized at the time of its acquisition by FedEx. Fred gave the option to the flight attendents to either de-certify their union, or he'd shut down the passenger service aboard the now FedEx jets. The attendents didn't de-certify and FedEx eliminated all passenger service aboard its jets, the attendents were no longer needed and eliminated. Fred kept out a non-pilot union, even at the expense of losing revenue. This is how far Fred will go to keep out a union. He's done it with Express, he did it with the choosing of the business model of Ground, and he's going to continue to do it until he can turn Express into a part-time operation."
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Old 07-06-2010, 10:07 AM   #36 (permalink)
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This post isn't about personal attacks. I have the utmost respect for UPS and FDX Pilots.

I met a FDX Pilot sometime ago we struck up a great conversation and I brought up Rick Drury. I always wanted to read his book "My Secret War" since my father was in Vietnam as well. The FDX Pilot asked for my address and a month or so later I had a signed copy of the book. There was an ex Tigers guy now with FDX that I remember he had pink toenails on a flight I was on. I was like ***. Turned out He liked the nudest resorts. His girlfriend painted his toes there. Great guy and full of insight.

I'm not here to be combative or call people names. I'm not a manager here to stir the pot either. I have questions and answers just like everybody else with alot of insight of some things.

This started with a post regarding FDX Smart post and UPS. I responded to it. Sorry Ernst for getting off topic and hijacking your thread. The original post would be like me saying UPS Ground got my package here faster and cheaper than FDX next day or two day. Ernst might have not even know about UPS's similar service option. What is a shame is I think Ernst is a UPS Pilot and posts on a public forum for all to see him bash his own company. Especially when UPS is "Throwing Pilots on the Street" as some here have said.
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You will have to be more specific, we all have pink toenails.....
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You will have to be more specific, we all have pink toenails.....
I knew it!!!!!!!!! You all drive old Mercedes as your crash cars too........

OK It was Gunter
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I seem to remember a thread about a FDX pilot who liked to do this.

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But that's an entirely different kind of flying, altogether. Not that anything is wrong with that.
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I seem to remember a thread about a FDX pilot who liked to do this.

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But that's an entirely different kind of flying, altogether. Not that anything is wrong with that.
I always wondered what your avatar was about Gunter?
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