I'm sorry but thats what I am talking about. I am not angry at the union, nor the pilot group. Anytime anyone furloughed disagrees with the EB or the status quo we are seen as being angry, or making waves. I didnt make this bed, but I am sleeping in it. I disagree with some of the decisions, but that doesn't mean I think that it was the IPA's fault. Ultimately, it was UPS's decision to do so, but I think we made it a bit easier for them by attacking their coveted work force in the manner and the time frame we did.
You may or may not know that individually we have been told things like what I posted. You'll be recalled on THIS DATE not some vague timeframe, THIS DAY. The pri 3 will be done at the end of THIS MONTH. Now that's something we don't have any control over, yet finite dates are given. The furlough WONT go past this number. Riddle me this? How would you feel if those things were told to you?
I only knew BM for a short period, but I was never told anything like that. I was told that "these people WILL furlough you" actually I think it was something like they are crazy enough to do it. Anyway, I believed him while everyone else was blowing smoke up my ass. I can't tell you how many senior captains told me they would NEVER furlough, yet here we are. BM told me one other thing, if they did make it to an actual furlough it would be a LONG time before I saw the inside of the walls again. He also fully supported the MOU, and has been right so far.
Now that UPS has a taste of us on the street and is padding their FQS workforce under the guise of retirements we are truly screwed. I believe that once they get a taste of being able to hire with no backlash (nothing in the contract to stop them, and we are not making much of a wave either) they will continue to do so.
I disagree with your assessment that the timing was correct, I think it was horrible. But again, these are opinions, and unless you have a time machine it is all hypothetical, here we are.
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I would say that we had leverage at the time which didn't exist for many years. We had a democratic administration with a democratic NMB. Now that doesn't promise us anything, but they passed card check, and none of this would have been possible under a repub admin. .
No, it does not promise anything and to think otherwise ignores history.
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The unsubstantiated rumors are really getting old, add to that you may be doing more harm than good. There are people looking for ANYTHING to grasp too and when it doesnt come true it is possible the result is less than a stellar feeling. Or worse, so please stop.
Here is the rumor you should be selling:
UPS is recalling in 2012 just like they said, and that is all any of us knows.
Here's a fact:
The IPA is impotent stop the FQS hiring, and will fail in their attempt with integration (IMHO). It was executed wrong, and the timing was the worst possible moment to do so. It should have been taken care of 20 years ago. I'll bet anyone with a time machine 100k that I would not have been furloughed with BM still in office.
Hey, My apologies. The 1st post of the thread seamed to be asking what we were "hearing" out there. H.M.,manager, & being part of man power planning seamed like a "valid" information source.
I did mention that 2012 recall is the only thing that I heard officially from the CO.
I never thought the CO. furloughed because BT was elected. Did you? This is the 1st I heard of that. As far as the FQS debacle. I do not think it is going to be successful, but I viewed it as the co. announced the furlough,FIRST, so the IPA let them know we are not going to play nice.
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Are the 767 deliveries for "growth" or will other frames be retired?
My guess is that one 767 will replace an Asia-scheduled 757. Two more will replace domestic-scheduled 757s. The last two of the set of 5 (for 2011) will be expansion. Net guess, three 757s will become spare/avail airframes by year's end.
It's difficult to know where the two 747-400s will be used. Again, a guess would be Asia markets. I'd love to see UPS beef up its' presence in India since this is the hottest growth for commerce according to many analysts.
Wow, spot on. Someone who actually gets it. Don't worry Sideshow bob will be here soon to put you back in your place and tell you to shut up and color! The only thing I would disagree with is the statement about recalls in 2012. I know thats what UPS said. I won't look at that as fact in either direction (recall sooner or recall later). Here is the ONLY fact you and I have. IF, and thats a big IF UPS every needs more pilots they have to offer you and I a recall for the next 6 years or so depending on when you got booted. Beyond that, when UPS is the only cargo company that is furloughing in an expanding economy you have to start asking some serious questions about what direction they are headed. All I'm saying is I wouldn't take recall as a forgone conclusion. Anything can happen. And yes, I completely believe the furlough was a direct payback for BT taking office. The IPA will NEVER have a bigger bat than the company, and they proved that.
Why tell somebody who has such omnipotent knowledge to color...I say run for office or take an FQS position...they are all knowing as well.
Just so the opaque becomes clear, you know/think that:
If Miller was still president UPS would not have furloughed.
The furlough was solely a get-evenwithemism for Thrush getting elected.
Anybody who doesn't share your world-view is somehow oppressing you or trying to silence you.
Oh my...such the victim.
I think we are all victim of The Davis Doctrine, and that it's an all encompassing strategy which has spared no class within the company. Davis axed 1,600 middle/upper management and slashed/or attempted to slash the entire company 10% across the board. The BOD thinks he walks on water...he came into the position sideways promising increased bottom line, flat top line and ever increasing dividends...all of which he delivered. In the long run it may well cripple the company beyond repair, but by then he/they won't care because they'll bail with their parachutes, and he/they won't give the slightest thought to you, me or anyone else for that matter.
It's not a schoolyard grudge, it's hard core, take no prisoners business, and yet it's all about you.
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Why tell somebody who has such omnipotent knowledge to color...I say run for office or take an FQS position...they are all knowing as well.
Just so the opaque becomes clear, you know/think that:
If Miller was still president UPS would not have furloughed.
The furlough was solely a get-evenwithemism for Thrush getting elected.
Anybody who doesn't share your world-view is somehow oppressing you or trying to silence you.
Oh my...such the victim.
I think we are all victim of The Davis Doctrine, and that it's an all encompassing strategy which has spared no class within the company. Davis axed 1,600 middle/upper management and slashed/or attempted to slash the entire company 10% across the board. The BOD thinks he walks on water...he came into the position sideways promising increased bottom line, flat top line and ever increasing dividends...all of which he delivered. In the long run it may well cripple the company beyond repair, but by then he/they won't care because they'll bail with their parachutes, and he/they won't give the slightest thought to you, me or anyone else for that matter.
It's not a schoolyard grudge, it's hard core, take no prisoners business, and yet it's all about you.
Cool to be so important I suppose.
Ah there he is caustic as ever as expected. Bob, no one is as important as you! I'll crawl back into my hole and shut up.
Ah there he is caustic as ever as expected. Bob, no one is as important as you! I'll crawl back into my hole and shut up.
Hey...if you insist on being an emotional teenage girl it's beyond my control or responsibility. I address what I consider to be the core issue of the company's actions and respond in kind to your caustic remarks and you're once again the victim? You've got far greater problems than me sport...
Don't crawl, stand up and make your argument without the pity party.
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Hey...if you insist on being an emotional teenage girl it's beyond my control or responsibility. I address what I consider to be the core issue of the company's actions and respond in kind to your caustic remarks and you're once again the victim? You've got far greater problems than me sport...
Don't crawl, stand up and make your argument without the pity party.
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