Can anyone tell me about UPS management Pilot jobs?
09-10-2006, 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Bulldog69
Can anyone tell me about UPS management Pilot jobs?
Let me say this about that <G>
There are VERY good reasons why they can't get those of us flying the line to take those jobs.
We have a very unusual, and unhealthy, relationship between our pilots and our subordinate officials.
09-10-2006, 09:15 PM
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Great pay. Lousy lifestyle. Kind of like the military.
UPS mgmt pilots are not managers in the traditional sense. Very few have any power to make any meaningful decisions. The real power lies with the Boxheads in Atlanta. The biggest decision most of these guys will make is to authorize some extra catering in unusual circumstances.
There's plenty of animosity between the line and mgmt pilots. Most IPA pilots have little respect for the manglers. Part of the reason is because they do not have the requisite experience for some of the positions they are filling (Instructor, Line Check Airman, etc).
Given the fact that UPS is proud to promote from within, you have to ask yourself these questions:
If it's such a great job, why don't IPA members jump at the opportunity? Why does the company continually have to hire people off the street to fill these positions?
In short, if you have a choice between a line and mgmt job, go with the line position. If a mgmt position is the only way to feed your family, take the job.
I'm sure GEOFFREY will chime in soon!
UPS mgmt pilots are not managers in the traditional sense. Very few have any power to make any meaningful decisions. The real power lies with the Boxheads in Atlanta. The biggest decision most of these guys will make is to authorize some extra catering in unusual circumstances.
There's plenty of animosity between the line and mgmt pilots. Most IPA pilots have little respect for the manglers. Part of the reason is because they do not have the requisite experience for some of the positions they are filling (Instructor, Line Check Airman, etc).
Given the fact that UPS is proud to promote from within, you have to ask yourself these questions:
If it's such a great job, why don't IPA members jump at the opportunity? Why does the company continually have to hire people off the street to fill these positions?
In short, if you have a choice between a line and mgmt job, go with the line position. If a mgmt position is the only way to feed your family, take the job.
I'm sure GEOFFREY will chime in soon!
09-11-2006, 04:55 AM
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They are anti labor, anti pilot positions designed to lower the wages and working conditions of the IPA.
A lot of pilots can't seem to stomach what the job is and does (the reason the experinced IPA pilots rarely join the darkside). Some folks have no problem with crossing picket lines, intimidating probationary pilots, and, basicly hurting our profession.
If one feels that is a good lot in life ..... go for it.
A lot of pilots can't seem to stomach what the job is and does (the reason the experinced IPA pilots rarely join the darkside). Some folks have no problem with crossing picket lines, intimidating probationary pilots, and, basicly hurting our profession.
If one feels that is a good lot in life ..... go for it.
09-11-2006, 11:00 AM
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As a UPS Mgmt Pilot, I'd say that IPAMD11FO gave a pretty good answer. Here's a couple of follow-ups....
No argument there
Very true that we don't have the power to make many meaningful decisions. As for the Boxheads in Atlanta running the show.... it's a common myth used by certain individuals in UPS mgmt as an excuse for why unpopular decisions are made. The truth is... Atlanta corporate has very little influence.
True statement. Despite common perceptions, most UPS mgmt pilots (on average) have experience equal to their line counterparts. However, a Check Airman should always have far more experience than the average pilot.
Can't argue with that statement. If you have the choice, take the line position. Either way, just getting into the door at UPS is a great opportunity. Good luck
Great pay. Lousy lifestyle. Kind of like the military.
UPS mgmt pilots are not managers in the traditional sense. Very few have any power to make any meaningful decisions. The real power lies with the Boxheads in Atlanta. The biggest decision most of these guys will make is to authorize some extra catering in unusual circumstances.
There's plenty of animosity between the line and mgmt pilots. Most IPA pilots have little respect for the manglers. Part of the reason is because they do not have the requisite experience for some of the positions they are filling (Instructor, Line Check Airman, etc).
Given the fact that UPS is proud to promote from within, you have to ask yourself these questions:
If it's such a great job, why don't IPA members jump at the opportunity? Why does the company continually have to hire people off the street to fill these positions?
In short, if you have a choice between a line and mgmt job, go with the line position. If a mgmt position is the only way to feed your family, take the job.
If it's such a great job, why don't IPA members jump at the opportunity? Why does the company continually have to hire people off the street to fill these positions?
In short, if you have a choice between a line and mgmt job, go with the line position. If a mgmt position is the only way to feed your family, take the job.
09-15-2006, 11:57 AM
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If you looks at it honestly, most of the managers at UPS are likeable. We like to "beat them up" verbally, but one on one line pilots become *****cats around our bosses. Unless you're Eddie Maxwell
Last edited by Priority 3; 09-15-2006 at 12:57 PM.
09-15-2006, 01:11 PM
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Is there any movement between the two career tracks? Can a mgmt pilot become a line pilot or vice versa?
I understand that it sounds like the line guys have zero desire to go that way, just asking if it's possible.
I understand that it sounds like the line guys have zero desire to go that way, just asking if it's possible.
09-15-2006, 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by 1Seat 1Engine
Is there any movement between the two career tracks? Can a mgmt pilot become a line pilot or vice versa?
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