FDX Pilots - Disciplined, Fined, or Expelled
01-30-2015, 12:04 PM
#21
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Seems there is secret information on both sides of this.
We don't know exactly know why the committee chair was let go and we don't know why the chair is accusing those that voted him out of wrong doing.
I'd like more information concerning the entire matter.
We don't know exactly know why the committee chair was let go and we don't know why the chair is accusing those that voted him out of wrong doing.
I'd like more information concerning the entire matter.
01-30-2015, 04:33 PM
#22
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FE is using the system to try and threaten these guys to try and get his job back. He was offered a settlement with conditions and turned it down. The block 11 rep was the stooge he used to get the charges filed and really was used like a wet towel.
From what I have heard, he should have gone long ago...I guess he is worried about losing his Marriott points and maybe actually have to go to ANC and work like the rest of us.
What disgusts me is him pulling this when our MEC needs to be focused.
From what I have heard, he should have gone long ago...I guess he is worried about losing his Marriott points and maybe actually have to go to ANC and work like the rest of us.
What disgusts me is him pulling this when our MEC needs to be focused.
01-30-2015, 04:37 PM
#23
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Originally Posted by HKFlyr
FE is using the system to try and threaten these guys to try and get his job back. He was offered a settlement with conditions and turned it down. The block 11 rep was the stooge he used to get the charges filed and really was used like a wet towel.
From what I have heard, he should have gone long ago...I guess he is worried about losing his Marriott points and maybe actually have to go to ANC and work like the rest of us.
What disgusts me is him pulling this when our MEC needs to be focused.
From what I have heard, he should have gone long ago...I guess he is worried about losing his Marriott points and maybe actually have to go to ANC and work like the rest of us.
What disgusts me is him pulling this when our MEC needs to be focused.
01-30-2015, 04:43 PM
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The committee chair was tasked and paid to campaign for Joe D.
What he did, along with (supposedly) our Sec Tres, was campaign for SS to be elected. He also was talking trash (supposedly) about Joe, while campaigning for SS.
In a nutshell, he didn't follow the direction the MEC for which he was working for(and paid via our dues money, on flight pay loss) and was fired for that action alone.
What he did, along with (supposedly) our Sec Tres, was campaign for SS to be elected. He also was talking trash (supposedly) about Joe, while campaigning for SS.
In a nutshell, he didn't follow the direction the MEC for which he was working for(and paid via our dues money, on flight pay loss) and was fired for that action alone.
01-30-2015, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by HIFLYR
Do not really understand how someone chairing a committee at the MECs pleasure has a leg to stand on to demand the job. If he is not sent packing to ANC we should all demand a flight loss committee job!!!!
01-30-2015, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
I don't understand how he was offered a settlement if he was guilty. No wonder everything is hush hush, maybe the bribe was to keep him quiet and it didn't work. Maybe they will all get settlements. Who's money is it anyways.
01-30-2015, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by HKFlyr
FE is using the system to try and threaten these guys to try and get his job back. He was offered a settlement with conditions and turned it down. The block 11 rep was the stooge he used to get the charges filed and really was used like a wet towel.
From what I have heard, he should have gone long ago...I guess he is worried about losing his Marriott points and maybe actually have to go to ANC and work like the rest of us.
What disgusts me is him pulling this when our MEC needs to be focused.
From what I have heard, he should have gone long ago...I guess he is worried about losing his Marriott points and maybe actually have to go to ANC and work like the rest of us.
What disgusts me is him pulling this when our MEC needs to be focused.
I've met plenty of Eiesler's type - they can easily "justify" their actions with a good bit of tainted rationalization and circular logic. I hope this little temper tantrum gets summarily squashed and Fred recedes back into the shadows with little influence.
01-30-2015, 06:02 PM
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We used to have a Financial Oversight Committee. It was changed to Financial Review. So, it used to be that it was looked at before money was spent. Now, money is spent and then someone looks at it after the fact, like that's going to change anything.
01-30-2015, 11:27 PM
#29
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Originally Posted by HKFlyr
The committee chair was tasked and paid to campaign for Joe D.
What he did, along with (supposedly) our Sec Tres, was campaign for SS to be elected. He also was talking trash (supposedly) about Joe, while campaigning for SS.
In a nutshell, he didn't follow the direction the MEC for which he was working for(and paid via our dues money, on flight pay loss) and was fired for that action alone.
What he did, along with (supposedly) our Sec Tres, was campaign for SS to be elected. He also was talking trash (supposedly) about Joe, while campaigning for SS.
In a nutshell, he didn't follow the direction the MEC for which he was working for(and paid via our dues money, on flight pay loss) and was fired for that action alone.
My understanding is the problem with FE being relieved, is that it was another "secret" vote. Our MEC seem to think they operate just like Jr High girls. Secret meetings, whispers in the corners, passing notes during study hall, who likes who, etc. There’s a better plan, we have MEC meetings all the time. At the next meeting bring it up, vote on it and then move on. The secret meetings are just tiring and distract from a contract. If someone does not want you to continue to serve in your "volunteer" capacity, then sweet, more time off. Go back to seeing your family and join the rest of us on the “gripe and whine” forums. Complaining that you are not being allowed to volunteer for a job that takes up a ton of your free time makes me think there must be some serious monetary benefit to doing the job. Just Saying!
01-31-2015, 02:49 AM
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Originally Posted by kwri10s
I truly don't care about this at all. My beef is the MEC took the month of Oct off from negotiating so they could attend ALPA national. Seriously, who cares? Get a contract, and then worry about getting "national" jobs. However, it is really hard to campaign for SS when he did not run for a position. Did you mean he was trying to talk him into running for an office? If there was trashing of one of our own that is unsat.
The BOD Meeting lasts about a week, and the MEC usually conducts their Regular Quarterly Meeting in the same location during the week prior. This allows for more time to get to know the candidates and other BOD members better, and in this case to campaign for our own candidate. It's a long, hard, fatiguing 2 weeks. While there are a couple of evening leisure events, it's nowhere near the big party some would have you believe. Your Block Reps earn every dime you pay them for their work there.
Stratton would have most likely run a public campaign for ALPA President had the MEC allowed him to. He ran 4 years ago after having just entered Section 6 negotiations, and he lost. Since he wasn't allowed to announce a candidacy, his efforts were intentionally hidden from the public. However, Eissler's comments at the meeting where he was relieved of his MEC Committee appointment make it clear that he was lobbying for Stratton and believed he could win.
Originally Posted by kwri10s
My understanding is the problem with FE being relieved, is that it was another "secret" vote. Our MEC seem to think they operate just like Jr High girls. Secret meetings, whispers in the corners, passing notes during study hall, who likes who, etc. There’s a better plan, we have MEC meetings all the time. At the next meeting bring it up, vote on it and then move on. The secret meetings are just tiring and distract from a contract. If someone does not want you to continue to serve in your "volunteer" capacity, then sweet, more time off. Go back to seeing your family and join the rest of us on the “gripe and whine” forums.
> Click on the MEC Meeting Minutes button on
the third row ("Reference"), far right:
require your ALPA Log-In credentials.)
Every Block Rep spoke. The EVP (ALPA First Vice President Elect) spoke. Eissler spoke. The MEC Chairman and Vice Chairman spoke. The vote breakdown is not usually recorded in the minutes unless someone asks for it to be recorded, but I can tell you that nobody -- not a single Block Rep -- voted to retain Eissler in his appointed position. (Several Block Reps abstained, but that's another story.)
What was not mentioned in the minutes is a Policy Manual responsibility of the MEC Chairman. Per Section VIII.A.1.a., he may remove any chairman of any committee, except the Negotiating Committee. If he had done that, we wouldn't be dealing with any of this mess, but he's allergic to confrontation.
Originally Posted by kwri10s
Complaining that you are not being allowed to volunteer for a job that takes up a ton of your free time makes me think there must be some serious monetary benefit to doing the job. Just Saying!
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