fdx727pilot

Almost no line 757 pilots, if any, have received the differences training necessary to fly the 767. Lack of sims means the training must be done in the aircraft, and the LCAs are having enough trouble getting pilots who actually hold 767 seats trained. The training involves a differences class and at least 2, but usually 4 or more legs in the 767 type assigned (LDS or CC.)

FDXLAG

Although the original 76 guys who held 75 seats were activated into the 76 as soon as the 1st 76 guy junior to them completed 75 training. This was before we had any airplanes. In other words if you are at a base where the VTL does not exist you get Passover as soon as someone Jr to you activates in your seat. In my humble opinion the VTL was a give back of seniority rights. I know Tony disagrees, I hope he will chime in.

Albief15

As a reinforcement of the above, I am in 75/76 IOE. My schedule is 4 legs, 7 days off....1 leg....4 days off....1 leg.....1 day off...2 legs....4 days off...then 6 legs including check. No 767 differences or flying on calendar yet. Contract stalling doesn't help...apparently IOE schedulers are begging for draft but apparently the LCAs are quite content to enjoy the nice cool summer Memphis is having (40s two night ago...) Everyone in training has been great so far, but I am referring to this training as the Chinese water torture IOE....drip....drip...drip... I knocked out MD11 IOE in a week but this IOE appears to be going to last about 6 weeks or more. I was told I was the #3 guy in priority (since I am going to an FDA), which makes me wonder if I was # 8 or # 10 how long it would take. My advice to those bidding the 75/76 on this next cycle is to plan on a long training cycle and don't get in a rush...you will only get frustrated. That said, I made one request for a day off for a daughter's graduation, and the IOE scheduler made it happen...very much appreciated. I have just switched gears and decided if it takes 6 weeks...well...I'll enjoy the time between trips with family and get organized for the upcoming move. So--until we get a few more sims, and probably a contract....expect your training to last the entire projected footprint if not longer.

Overnitefr8

76 differences class comes after your IOE in 75 if you're new to both airplanes. Differences class is usually on the first or second day of your training date on the training letter if you were already on the 75 and going to the 76. And then you need SLF (supervised line flying) in the 76, which can take a few weeks to schedule.

Chilitime

They told me at recurrent that the FAA wants guys consolidated in BOTH aircraft, and in the same 120 day timeframe. That's double the hours in 120 days if the company wants dual qualled pilots.

Precontact

It sounds like someone in the airline didn't plan the 767 rollout too well. Doesn't Fred have friends within the FAA?

Flybywyr

Also a new Captain will have to meet high mins in BOTH aircraft.

From FAA Notice N 8900.286

a. Example 1. In accordance with § 121.434(c)(3), a pilot who has completed PIC Boeing 757/767 initial training must complete 25 hours of OE and four cycles on the Boeing 757 and 25 hours of OE and four cycles on the Boeing 767. A certificate holder may request a related aircraft deviation in accordance with § 121.434(a)(4) to take credit for the OE and cycles between the Boeing 757 and 767.
b. Example 2. In accordance with § 121.434(c)(3), a pilot who has completed SIC transition training from the Boeing 757 to the Boeing 767 must complete 15 hours of OE and four cycles on the Boeing 767. A certificate holder may request a related aircraft deviation in accordance with § 121.434(a)(4) to take credit for the OE and cycles between the Boeing 757 and 767.

11. Related Aircraft Deviation for Line Operating Flight Time for Consolidation of Knowledge and Skills. A related aircraft deviation is necessary if the certificate holder wants to take credit for line operating flight time for consolidation of knowledge and skills between airplanes with different TCs.
a. Example 1. In accordance with § 121.434(g), a pilot who has completed PIC Boeing 757/767 initial training must complete 100 hours of line operating flight time in the Boeing 757 and 100 hours of line operating flight time in the Boeing 767 within 120 days after the type rating practical test or the § 121.441 proficiency check. A certificate holder may request a related aircraft deviation in accordance with § 121.434(a)(4) to take credit for the line operating flight time between the Boeing 757 and 767.

b. High Minimums. In accordance with § 121.652, the landing minimums must be increased by 100 feet and one-half mile at regular, provisional, and refueling airports if the PIC has not served at least 100 hours in the specific airplane type in part 121 operations. There is no deviation authority based on a related aircraft designation under § 121.652. Therefore, the 100 hours must be obtained in each airplane type. For example, a PIC with only 40 hours in the Boeing 757 must increase the landing minimums even if the PIC is dual qualified and has 100 hours in the Boeing 767.

MEMFO4Ever

Maybe time to split the bidpacks???

Seems like the company wants maximum flexibility, but refuses to do it the way other airlines successfully do it with their insistence on different cockpit configurations. How much did we get in return for this little jewel again?

Oh right...nothing.

Huck

They'd love to... but can't, until we get an LDS 767 sim operational for recurrent training.

angry tanker

Will the same standards be held to the MD11/MD10?