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Old 08-24-2016, 03:52 PM
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Apparently this is happening at other cargo airlines too..

ANA cutting cargo flights to China

Japan-based All Nippon Airways (ANA) is moving cargo from its freighters to the bellyholds of its passenger fleet, while scaling back scheduled all-cargo flights in October, the airline announced. The decision mirrors an industry-wide general freight trend, as increasing bellyhold capacity exerts downward pressure on the profits of freighter operations.

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ANA cutting cargo flights to China | Air Cargo World

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Apparently this is happening at other cargo airlines too..

ANA cutting cargo flights to China

Japan-based All Nippon Airways (ANA) is moving cargo from its freighters to the bellyholds of its passenger fleet, while scaling back scheduled all-cargo flights in October, the airline announced. The decision mirrors an industry-wide general freight trend, as increasing bellyhold capacity exerts downward pressure on the profits of freighter operations.

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ANA cutting cargo flights to China | Air Cargo World
Yes. the European carriers are doing it too. The new widebodies can carry more cargo than some of the old ones.
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Old 08-24-2016, 09:07 PM
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I think that leaves a gap in the market for Heavy/Bulky freight that won't fit down below.
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FDX guy checking in.

Nothing has been mentioned to us with respect to this.
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Originally Posted by skypine27 View Post
Nothing has been mentioned to us with respect to this.
Why would they? This is strictly an ACMI issue.

Unless FedEX's business model suddenly changed where you guys are hauling other carriers freight, there would be no reason to mention it to you guys. And I'm pretty certain that each and every ULD you're carrying, and the packages contained within, have "FedEX" written all over it...

This is an ACMI issue... you and Brown carry your own freight. This doesn't apply to you.

This trend has been years in the making. The ACMI model is dying. There will always be a need for odd sized freight haulers, but by and large the bread and butter customers (Korean, Ethiopian, etc etc) have found they can stuff way more freight in the bellies of their shiny new 777's than they could before so there goes the need for dedicated ACMI subcontractors.

Evergreen is gone. Suddern switched to Yellow. Kalitta and Atlas are a mix of ACMI and Yellow (and now Prime) but in a few years there will most likely be only one, maybe two airlines that specializes in widebody nose loading cargo hauling capabilities, mostly all that will be left of the ACMI model.
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Originally Posted by gringo View Post
Why would they? This is strictly an ACMI issue.

Unless FedEX's business model suddenly changed where you guys are hauling other carriers freight, there would be no reason to mention it to you guys. And I'm pretty certain that each and every ULD you're carrying, and the packages contained within, have "FedEX" written all over it...

This is an ACMI issue... you and Brown carry your own freight. This doesn't apply to you.

This trend has been years in the making. The ACMI model is dying. There will always be a need for odd sized freight haulers, but by and large the bread and butter customers (Korean, Ethiopian, etc etc) have found they can stuff way more freight in the bellies of their shiny new 777's than they could before so there goes the need for dedicated ACMI subcontractors.

Evergreen is gone. Suddern switched to Yellow. Kalitta and Atlas are a mix of ACMI and Yellow (and now Prime) but in a few years there will most likely be only one, maybe two airlines that specializes in widebody nose loading cargo hauling capabilities, mostly all that will be left of the ACMI model.
So....what are you saying?

Actually, FedEx has been using belly freight in Asia to relieve some of the capacity bottlenecks. So, kinda does apply to us too.
FedEx to rely more on bellies - Air Cargo News
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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver View Post
So....what are you saying?

Actually, FedEx has been using belly freight in Asia to relieve some of the capacity bottlenecks. So, kinda does apply to us too.
FedEx to rely more on bellies - Air Cargo News
Huh. Well look at that. Learn something new every day, and it's not even noon yet.
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Huh. Well look at that. Learn something new every day, and it's not even noon yet.
At brown they've been doing it for quite a while. Officially (when the union knows about it) and unofficially when it's flown by supply chain solutions and then no one really knows how much and by which airline.
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No, it is not.
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Sounds like China just got the Myra AN225 from the Ukraine with plans to build a new one by 2019. Interesting development.
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