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Old 02-26-2009, 05:05 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Hey foreign pilot, get out of my seat!!!

Why is it that the FAA allowed all the foreigners in to take US corporate pilot jobs, when its already so difficult to get a good job? A US pilot can't go to Canada/Europe/Asia unless they retake all their flight tests, yet anyone can come to the US and their license is automatically converted by the pencil-whipping FAA. You want to stimulate the economy, then start protecting your domestic pilots first.
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Old 02-26-2009, 05:55 PM   #2 (permalink)
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That depends on the definition of "foreign pilot". To work in the US, the "foreign pilot" must be a US citizen or a permanent resident. The same goes for other countries as well. To work in Europe, you must be EU citizen. Under special circumstances when a country does not have its own qualified pilots, then the government lets the companies bring foreign pilots on a temporary basis.

When you saw the foreign pilots, did it occur that they may be US citizens?
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Old 02-26-2009, 06:16 PM   #3 (permalink)
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That depends on the definition of "foreign pilot". To work in the US, the "foreign pilot" must be a US citizen or a permanent resident. The same goes for other countries as well. To work in Europe, you must be EU citizen. Under special circumstances when a country does not have its own qualified pilots, then the government lets the companies bring foreign pilots on a temporary basis.

When you saw the foreign pilots, did it occur that they may be US citizens?
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Gotta get the right to work first. Not exactly easy. I am working on flying in NZ. Got the residency, then only 1 ATPL test if you have the right amount of experience. Then comes the hard part...finding a job. Once you get the job you have to listen to others tell you to get out of their seat. I have residency by being married to a citizen. Many foreigners are here working in the US the same way. More power to them.
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Old 02-26-2009, 06:33 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Why is it that the FAA allowed all the foreigners in to take US corporate pilot jobs, when its already so difficult to get a good job? A US pilot can't go to Canada/Europe/Asia unless they retake all their flight tests, yet anyone can come to the US and their license is automatically converted by the pencil-whipping FAA. You want to stimulate the economy, then start protecting your domestic pilots first.
First of all, foreign pilots can not get a corporate job so easily. Any foreign ATP pilot needs to get his ATP written and need to take a flight test with the FAA to get their FAA ATP. As such, the FAA is only complying with the law and regulations of the United States of America. In addition these guys, in order to be competitive, usually need an FAA type-rating, since foreign type-ratings are not endorsed by the FAA. As a side note, this process already brings some kind of substantial money to the US economy. Secondly, as stated in the previous post, that means nothing if you do not have the right to work in the US. Many of these guys, and I am one of them, initially came to the US to do jobs requiring some high-level of education and because US employers were not able at that time to find the right candidates domestically. While performing their job for many years, these guys got their FAA ratings (more money brought to the US economy) and finally, since this country is a free country until proven otherwise, and because it was their legal right to do so, they decided to pursue a second career in aviation. Now, I do not believe that the number of foreign pilots in the corporate world is responsible for the fact that the current situation is crap for almost everybody. Finally, it is usual to target foreign citizens when **** hits the fan. Let us not forget that these individuals worked through the system legally, brought something to this country and, like myself became US citizens.
My humble suggestion is for you to direct your anger and understandable frustration to those who are responsible for today's situation. Scapegoating (not sure that is a proper term) corporate foreign pilots is not going to fix the current ****ty jobmarket. That being said, I wish you will be one day on the other side of the fence and let us know how you feel.
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Skull nailed it! Thanks for articulating my thoughts so much better then I could have done.
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Skull said, "That being said, I wish you will be one day on the other side of the fence and let us know how you feel."

What do you think prompted me to write the post? Not quite fair when I want to fly in another country yet can't get citizenship because I don't have a job waiting in that country and can't get a flight job because I'm not a citizen. And if I could, Europe/Canada/Asia want me to start at square one on the flight training.... not one simple test (if any) given to foreigners by the FAA. But a European pilot can migrate here, have practically no cost on the license conversion, and step right into a job, yet I can't do that over there..... So you tell me, wouldn't you be ****ed? Welcome to my side of the fence. The US needs some kind of Certification reciprocity.
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Old 02-26-2009, 07:12 PM   #7 (permalink)
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So as I stated before, "get out of my seat". This loophole needs to be fixed by our government.
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they weren't and they were not married.
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Why is it that the FAA allowed all the foreigners in to take US corporate pilot jobs, when its already so difficult to get a good job? A US pilot can't go to Canada/Europe/Asia unless they retake all their flight tests, yet anyone can come to the US and their license is automatically converted by the pencil-whipping FAA. You want to stimulate the economy, then start protecting your domestic pilots first.
Baloney. You can get Canadian licenses relatively easily, no flight test required. The job market in Canada isn't good, but it isn't good at home either. I fly in Asia on a FATA based on my FAA license, and there are hundreds of Americans like me - and that's just in India. Some parts of Europe are problematic, but I know we've got Americans flying in Ireland. Yeah, we can start throwing out green card holders, but they'll be replaced with people like me who got thrown out of a foreign country as a result. My resume and qualifications are a bit more competitive than the average "foreign" pilot, so you'd be even worse off. Count your blessings.

Wonderful first post, BTW.
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So as I stated before, "get out of my seat". This loophole needs to be fixed by our government.
Why is it "your" seat? Maybe it's my seat! Stay outta my seats!
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