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Old 10-05-2009, 06:36 AM   #11 (permalink)
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First off, Congrats on what appears to be a sweet gig.

Secondly, ignore TopGun, people make you think that it's really hard to fly above 250, but honestly that's the easiest airspace to handle. Yes the terminal airspace is what makes or breaks any pilot IMO. How can you judge someone's skill over the internet anyways?

Third: I think by the way you've inquired about these questions you are taking the methodical and safe route. Good luck to you, and hope it all works out well!
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Old 10-05-2009, 06:59 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Where is your safety standard?

A 500hr PIC Turboprop pilot with 2000tt is now safe? He has never flown a jet and now you want to do it single pilot?

You may be ok in a 2 pilot operation with a competent f/o(not in any operation I would lend my name to. We require a minimum of 5000hrs to sit in any seat-and yes we also require 3000 jet PIC along with the type rating for even the f/o along with formalized training i.e. major airline/military).

Asking for help on APC is a start, you seem to understand your limitations.
Single pilot PIC in a new jet may be legal but is it smart?
Your passengers should want the most qualified and competent crew they can get.
You are doing them a great disservice by your approach
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2000tt and no jet time is not the time to be a hero. Experience gives you judgement, proper judgement would tell you to hire some experience. Later in your career you will look back and say "I can't believe they let me do that" and they shouldn't have!
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Old 10-05-2009, 09:36 AM   #13 (permalink)
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The Ultra is an easy aircraft to fly and a great first jet. Zy will do fine!
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Old 10-05-2009, 09:43 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Where is your safety standard?

A 500hr PIC Turboprop pilot with 2000tt is now safe? He has never flown a jet and now you want to do it single pilot?

You may be ok in a 2 pilot operation with a competent f/o(not in any operation I would lend my name to. We require a minimum of 5000hrs to sit in any seat-and yes we also require 3000 jet PIC along with the type rating for even the f/o along with formalized training i.e. major airline/military).

Asking for help on APC is a start, you seem to understand your limitations.
Single pilot PIC in a new jet may be legal but is it smart?
Your passengers should want the most qualified and competent crew they can get.
You are doing them a great disservice by your approach
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2000tt and no jet time is not the time to be a hero. Experience gives you judgement, proper judgement would tell you to hire some experience. Later in your career you will look back and say "I can't believe they let me do that" and they shouldn't have!
Do it right!
It seems you've had a good career with great opportunities. Please don't look down on those who've haven't had that good fortune.
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Old 10-05-2009, 10:14 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Zyttocs, why are you operating single pilot instead of hiring a professional pilot to fly with you? I'm sure you are a competent pilot and are capable of handling a Citation by yourself, but you need to imagine worst case scenario. If things ever get really bad, ie multiple failures in bad weather, that other pilot may well be the difference between life and death. The safety factor of having 2 crew far outweighs the additional costs.
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Old 10-05-2009, 12:31 PM   #16 (permalink)
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The 4050 waiver is a piece of paper that enables you to fly the C560 and others requiring 2 pilots part 25 with only one pilot.

If you are only flying the plane 200 hours over 2 years you may want to consider your own personal comfort level in the airplane. The Ultra has some nasty stall characteristics vs the Encore but is still a very simple straight wing plane.

The 4050 will require your initial check to be flown in the actual airplane and last check was very expensive and limited to FlightSafety and Simuflight as your only training outlets.

The first 100 hours had some restrictions on approach minimums. Coverage amounts are approachable at 50M. With new SP rating and low time you will probably pay in premiums for all your risk factors and coverage amounts.

PM me if you need more but that is what I recall from memory.
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Old 10-05-2009, 01:53 PM   #17 (permalink)
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We're talking straight-wing freaking Citation here, guys. A Citation that the OP will have 200 hours in as a crew before he flies it by himself.

Anybody who can/has flown a King Air single pilot can handle a Citation single-pilot...and people safely & competently fly King Airs SP every day.
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Old 10-05-2009, 03:42 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Thanks to everyone…even the loud mouth in the third row. It’s people like him that make the rest of us appreciate each other that much more. The way this single pilot thing is going to work is that insurance mandates a standard 2 pilot type rating. Then the first 50 hours with a type rated PIC in the right seat. Then a qualified and in house trained comm/multi/inst SIC for another 150 hours totaling 200 hours. That time will be accumulated with in the first year. At the first type-refresher I will complete the required single pilot training, and then because the Ultra has a single pilot waiver, and not a single pilot type rating, there is also a check ride in the plane with an FAA examiner.

As previously stated we intend to continue to operate with 2 pilots during the 90% business trips, but may exercise the single pilot option for the boss’ vacations and ferrying. The boss has been a pilot his whole life and likes to sit right seat.

I appreciate almost all the comments and I’m ready to move on to a new subject.
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Old 10-06-2009, 06:19 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Maybe it's because I'm a former freight dog, or since I have yet to fly an aircraft requiring a 2-pilot crew(although I have flown as co-pilot in KA's and C421's), but I really don't know what the big stink is about 2-pilot crews on these types of aircraft.

Once again though, how can we judge Zyttoc's skill over the internet? I think we should have a good ole' fashioned Dual of sorts!!! I'm a firm believer that the "TT" is only a partial factor in the equation. Some people make every hour "quality" while others are just there for the ride.
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Old 10-25-2009, 04:20 AM   #20 (permalink)
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I fly Ultra single pilot in the states and it's easy enough as long as you stay ahead of the airplane...it's much faster than the KA and flying into airports like MIA they will except you to maintain 250kts at 10,000ft on downwind leg of approach...you should be fine as long as you know your limatations !!!!
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