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Old 12-07-2010, 12:53 PM
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We have an older 604 and are looking to get either a 605 or a Falcon. Just like to hear some opinions on this model of Falcon.
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Old 12-07-2010, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by cobber View Post
We have an older 604 and are looking to get either a 605 or a Falcon. Just like to hear some opinions on this model of Falcon.
I have a few years flying a 900EX and currently fly another EASy and you will very much like the EASy platform. Its very simple to operate and displays a lot of information in a very clean way.

The 900EX is a extremely reliable and a very easy airplane to fly. It is, however, rather underpowered, especially in icing conditions (IMO) Its a great domestic airplane with the ocasional Europe trip - but its not a world traveler. Its just a bit small and long range puts you at some ridiculous speeds (like.72-.73) The idea of 9+ hrs in a 900 is painful. The galley is small, some only have 1 lav, and theres no rest area.

Will you operate in/out of very short strips? The Falcon produces good numbers but I would hesitate to choose a 900EX in that case. I dislike that it has no real TRs (the noisemaker does not count) We would routinely use a Global or a DA2000 when operating into shorter/contaminated strips. I know the whole drill about TRs not counting for #s etc, but I can tell you which one I felt better in when landing on a slick runway in the winter...

All in all a real solid airplane - just some considerations IMO.

I have no 604/605 experience to relate it to.

Good Luck.
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Old 12-07-2010, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by NowCorporate View Post
I have a few years flying a 900EX and currently fly another EASy and you will very much like the EASy platform - its very simple to operate and displays a lot of information in a very clean way.

The 900EX is a extremely reliable and a very easy airplane to fly. IMO it is, however, rather underpowered, especially in icing conditions. Its a great domestic airplane with the ocasional Europe trip - but its not a world traveler.

Will you operate in/out of very short strips? The Falcon produces good numbers but I would hesitate to choose a 900EX in that case. I dislike that it has no real TRs (the noisemaker does not count) We would routinely use a Global or a DA2000 when operating into shorter/contaminated strips. I know the whole drill about TRs not counting for #s etc but I can tell you which one I felt better in...

All in all a real solid airplane - just some considerations IMO.

Good Luck.

The short strips are not really something that we run into much - Its pretty rare for us to go anywhere less than 5k. Just going over some of the published comparison numbers it appears to have slightly better performance than the Challenger. I hear you about the reversers though - it nice to know you have them...

What is the cabin at at FL430?
Is it tricky to land with the straight leg mains?
Hourly burn at a normal cruise speed?
FADEC engines?
Any whacky issues or quirks with the 900s'?

We do international a half a dozen time a year so not enough to justify the heavy iron. wW are trying to stick to a/c that have around the same range (3800-4000ish) we currently have which seems to work fine for us.
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Are you guys not considering a top of the line F2000?

That is a fantastic airplane.

Everything NowCorp said about the 900 I can second. As is the case for most TFE powered aircraft, the 900 is very ISA sensitive... but so is the 604/605 for that matter.

However... from a back-of-the-airplane perspective... nothing in that range beats the 605's cabin.

If you can't go as big as a G450 or a F2000, then I think you are in a toss-up between the two.
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If you can't go as big as a G450 or a F2000, then I think you are in a toss-up between the two.
DA900 - cabin width 7'8"
cabin height 6'2"

DA2000 - cabin width 7'8"
cabin height 6'2"

G450 - cabin width 7'4"
cabin height 6"2"
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Originally Posted by QuietSpike View Post
Are you guys not considering a top of the line F2000?

That is a fantastic airplane.

Everything NowCorp said about the 900 I can second. As is the case for most TFE powered aircraft, the 900 is very ISA sensitive... but so is the 604/605 for that matter.

However... from a back-of-the-airplane perspective... nothing in that range beats the 605's cabin.

If you can't go as big as a G450 or a F2000, then I think you are in a toss-up between the two.
These 2 a/c seem to have the same issues with high ISA. The 604 is a pig above 350 if you are heavy and apparently the 605 is no different.

Yeah our principal does love the Challenger cabin though, its like flying around in your living room. The performance would have to be very noticeable to get him into a different manufacturer but we've heard so much good stuff about Falcons that that want to give them a serious look. Our price cap is under 20 (which is about what the 605s we have been looking at are hovering at) so the new 2000/G450 is probably not an option for us but we have looked at them. The 450 inparticular would be a healthy increase in operating cost from our current situation.
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Originally Posted by cobber View Post
What is the cabin at at FL430?
Is it tricky to land with the straight leg mains?
Hourly burn at a normal cruise speed?
FADEC engines?
Any whacky issues or quirks with the 900s'?

- You wont be at FL430 much. Its just makes no sense to go there in it. I forget the 900 but the current EASy I fly is just below 4000ft at FL410. Im sure its similar. 900's run at FL370-FL410 for the most part. Anything else is wasting gas or doing some bizarre 10hr Mach .72 Dassault profile flight.

- One of the easiest jet airplanes you will ever land. Its fine in heavy xwinds, has low refs, but kinda weak, grabby brakes and, as discussed, the TR is worthless...

- No clue on hourly burn, sorry. It sips gas. What Falcon makes up for with under-powering they make up for in fuel burns. Kinda makes sense I guess, lol. Falcons put out great budget numbers. We run ours for about 35% less than we would run a G550/Global and can still get about 6000nm out of it. (more than enough for us) If budget is no concern go with the power of other OEMs (IMO)

- FADEC and Autothrottle. Not used for T/O or Landing. No auto-retard.

- Nothing wacky at all, its a very solid, simple, reliaable airplane. You can go from opening the door to rolling off the ramp in about 5 minutes. Its just that 731s are made to power learjets and be APUs - not be powerplants on real airplanes..

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Originally Posted by NowCorporate View Post
DA900 - cabin width 7'8"
cabin height 6'2"

DA2000 - cabin width 7'8"
cabin height 6'2"

G450 - cabin width 7'4"
cabin height 6"2"
When are you going to learn that I know what I am talking about?


DA2000 cabin volume- 1024 ft3

DA900 cabin volume- 1267 ft3

G450 cabin volume- 1525 ft3


DA2000LX max range- 3905nm

DA900EX max range- 4263nm

G450 max range- 4430nm



It is not my "opinion" that the 450 cabin is bigger, and that it costs more to operate, and that it goes farther than the others... it is just a fact!
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Old 12-07-2010, 04:42 PM
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Can you touch a 900EASy for $20M, even in this used aircraft market?

I'd think if that's the budget you have and you're looking for range similar to your 604, a used 2000EASy (especially with API winglets) should be a more "reasonable" option than a 900EX or EASy.
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Was gonna say...24-25mil may be your number, if you get lucky.

A price cap of 20mil wont likely get you in a 900ex EASy today. Look at 900EX maybe? or a 2000EX Easy at maybe 20mil.

You missed the lows about 18 months ago on the larger Falcons.....7X's back over 50mil now and newer 900EX EASy around 40mil.

Good Luck in the search!


PS - Have your considered the STREAM' 200?
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