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Old 12-08-2010, 12:17 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I am scheduled for a CL-604 initial at Flight Safety in JAN, I think it will probably be in Wilmington(?) (Near PHL). If anybody has any tips or advice it will be appreciated!
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Old 12-08-2010, 12:44 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I am scheduled for a CL-604 initial at Flight Safety in JAN, I think it will probably be in Wilmington(?) (Near PHL). If anybody has any tips or advice it will be appreciated!
Yeah, stay at the Hilton Christiana, they have a pretty good happy hour.

Also - allow lots of extra time to drive - the traffic lights in Wilmington are F'n absurd.

Have fun!
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Old 12-08-2010, 01:43 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Sorry I don't have any 604 advice, but remember there's no sales tax in Delaware. The Christiana mall is right there and has a nice selection of stores!
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Old 12-08-2010, 02:17 PM   #4 (permalink)
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no CL604 advice here, but congrats, really good type to have...

Don't know what your background is, but If you go into the sim with a firm grasp on the automation, you're in good shape. If you've never flown anything that complex, read up on the automation, sometimes that poses more problems than the aircraft's systems.

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Old 12-08-2010, 02:39 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I currently fly the CRJ200, so I think the systems should be similar.
Looking for some technical advice, how Flight Safety does things VS the airlines
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Its very laid back, dont worry about preparing ahead of time.

You will have plenty of time to learn it all at a pretty relaxed pace....in fact, you will likely be bored at initial.

FSI - start 15 mins late, get coffee, 10 mins of review, break, 25 mins of new material, break, etc, etc..

You will get a copy of their checklists and flows to review. Sim wont start until a week or so after you get there.
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Might wanna call ahead and get a copy of their Client Guide/sim profiles if you don't have them already. Good luck
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FSI does everything better than the airlines with the exception of the f'in useless & non-pertinent war stories ground instructors tell that make every course 2-7 days longer than it should be. Its VERY low-stress and even lower threat - with MUCH better coffee.

Also, NowCorporate is 100% right about the traffic lights in Wilmington - never seen so many on a single stretch of road and definitely never seen so many so out of sync.

Call the training center and have them email you the study guide, other than that, try to keep from getting too drunk during initial because you will NOT need to study like you probably did in your regional airline training program.
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Old 12-08-2010, 09:09 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I currently fly the CRJ200, so I think the systems should be similar.
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The bigger question is...how did an airline guy get a corporate job? I thought all us airline guys were whiny trouble makers who get typed and then bolt!

Congrats on the new job.
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Old 12-09-2010, 01:34 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I am scheduled for a CL-604 initial at Flight Safety in JAN, I think it will probably be in Wilmington(?) (Near PHL). If anybody has any tips or advice it will be appreciated!

The 604 will be pretty easy if you've been flying the CRJ. I went through Bombardier training in Dallas about 4 months ago and they had a guy come through with 10 years in the CRJ so they cut the course from 19 days down to 10. If you can get your hands on the systems training manual before you go it would probably benefit you. From my understanding the CRJ systems are very similar except for the fuel. The 604 carries 20,000lbs of gas and has a tail tank and 2 saddle tanks in the back which dont require any pilot intervention to manage unless something goes very wrong. Its missing the fuel and pneumatic pages from the EICAS that the CRJ has as well. Not sure if you guys had Precision Plus at the airline or were approved for VNAV but its pretty cool to be able to do it in the 604. I flew the jungle jet and the Honeywell Primus 1000 cant hold a candle to this Collins system.

The airplane is pretty straight forward with only a few oddities. The first is the strange nose low approach angle which should be pretty familiar to you. Hard to get used to if you've flown any other swept wing jet though. The other is the V1 cuts. The airplane really wants to depart the side of the runway unless you use "A LOT" of aileron to back up your rudder inputs. Kick a$$ a/c otherwise cant wait for our 605!

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