Upward salary pressure?
04-18-2015, 06:47 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by lifter123
Thank you, but I really didn't do anything different than I had with other jobs in the past. I guess that is the point this thread is trying to prove, that major airline movement is really putting the squeeze on 135/corporate.
04-18-2015, 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by RI830
What and where is your guy flying for 180K?
I see corp jobs/bosses addressing pay only as needed. You will have a myriad of guys that do or don't want to leave corporate.
The ones who don't have any desire to leave aren't going to rock the boat by interviewing outside to gain a pay raise. IMHO
I see corp jobs/bosses addressing pay only as needed. You will have a myriad of guys that do or don't want to leave corporate.
The ones who don't have any desire to leave aren't going to rock the boat by interviewing outside to gain a pay raise. IMHO
04-18-2015, 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by lifter123
Thank you, but I really didn't do anything different than I had with other jobs in the past. I guess that is the point this thread is trying to prove, that major airline movement is really putting the squeeze on 135/corporate.
04-18-2015, 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Climbto450
It isn't just the major hiring that is casuing a squeeze on corporate. It is a 2 fold issue, a good number of the career corporate guys/girls are starting to retire as well. The change has begun it has started in the regionals and it will trickle to corporate. Corporate flight departments are losing guys to the majors and not just the mom and pop king air/VLJ pilots. They will have to hire at better rates then before to keep pilots at their flight departments.
04-19-2015, 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Climbto450
.... The change has begun it has started in the regionals and it will trickle to corporate. ...... They will have to hire at better rates then before to keep pilots at their flight departments.
04-19-2015, 02:15 PM
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The problem with the "shortage" is it's going to be short. Aviation jobs are still relatively few when compared to some other industries. You get these airlines and Boeing to start spitting out projections of blue skies ahead and everyone who gets in now will make it to the majors, well, then all those flight schools start turning out pilots like there's no tomorrow. The airlines will feel the pinch for a few years. But once they start cutting capacity, or do another merger, or the economy goes south, streets will be flooded with unemployed pilots, again.
05-21-2015, 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Likeabat
We all know that all of the hiring recently has created a lot of movement in the industry - I am curious if anyone in corporate aviation has witnessed first hand this resulting in higher salaries to attract/retain people.
I have spoken with some that have said "there is always someone else knocking on the door ready to fill the seat" - and I know full well that this has been the case in the past, but wondered if it has been changing.
For me, I left a 91/135 job because my salary was woefully low - I accepted a position that paid 45% more. But this didn't change anything at my previous company - they found someone to fill the seat for the same $$ I was making. So I don't see this as upward pressure, just more opportunities.
I have spoken with some that have said "there is always someone else knocking on the door ready to fill the seat" - and I know full well that this has been the case in the past, but wondered if it has been changing.
For me, I left a 91/135 job because my salary was woefully low - I accepted a position that paid 45% more. But this didn't change anything at my previous company - they found someone to fill the seat for the same $$ I was making. So I don't see this as upward pressure, just more opportunities.
I don't see any evidence of it. Decent 91 operators seem to be very stable. Although, my bubble is very small. For me, Flight Safety and or CAE is the barometer of corporate aviation. If they can't keep instructors then there is a pilot shortage.
I think 135 and fractional operators will see any shortage first as they offer more entry level positions. When they lower their mins or offer increasing starting pay then the good times are coming. Anyone see any evidence of this?
I also believe each region will react differently. There could be a shortage in TX but SoCal doesn't feel it yet. Not a fact, just a proposed example.
It seems that there is a little more opportunity now than even just a year ago. But no strong pressure yet.
Best,
05-27-2015, 04:38 PM
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Job security part 91
im probably a lucky guy. IHave only held 2 jobs in 35 years of corporate flying. Now a change has come up again.Just announced the flight department is closing (but they wanted me to stay till they shut off the lights and offered severance to go along with it) I was already unconfortoble there (it was getting old and no salary raises in 2 years) i took a peek at the job market and had an offer 2 weeks later.26k more than im making all other benefits are comparable.........now my current employers is backpeddling and they aren sure what they want (maybe downsize,maybe do some 135 etc etc) i hate it when micromanaging chief pilots try and manipulate you promising all sorts of good things and not in writing!!!!!! The only thing in writing is we will be let go after aircraft are sold ,they havent taken that letter back....
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