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Old 03-28-2015, 04:16 PM
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We all know that all of the hiring recently has created a lot of movement in the industry - I am curious if anyone in corporate aviation has witnessed first hand this resulting in higher salaries to attract/retain people.

I have spoken with some that have said "there is always someone else knocking on the door ready to fill the seat" - and I know full well that this has been the case in the past, but wondered if it has been changing.

For me, I left a 91/135 job because my salary was woefully low - I accepted a position that paid 45% more. But this didn't change anything at my previous company - they found someone to fill the seat for the same $$ I was making. So I don't see this as upward pressure, just more opportunities.
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Agreed. In every corporate aviation dept you will find a specific culture. Those that believe that there will always be continual turnover, whether it's for $20,000 or $200,000/yr. Then there are those who believe that keeping a familiar face in the front, a happy employee or a department that runs like a well-oiled machine is worth the extra cost for retention. I've seen both sides and have been lucky enough to belong to one of the latter. Will it change? Unlikely, unless a fundamental change is institued starting at the top of said company.
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Old 03-28-2015, 05:20 PM
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Good points and I think very accurate. I made it very clear at my previous job that I was happy with everything but that the pay was not going to cut it. I had interviewed at one part 91 job (didn't get it ) and interviewed and was placed in the pool at a major airline - so they knew I was looking. The Chief Pilot tried to convince me to stay, but the boss didn't want to pay any more. I was then offered my current job and I again reiterated to them that $$ was the only issue - they again begged me to stay...but wouldn't pay any more. In the end it was just a low budget boss.
From what I gather, my current employer has always paid very well. Very thankful a position became available.
I really wonder if turnover and movement will eventually become such that guys like my previous employer will have no choice but to bump the pay. At some point it will get expensive handing out $35,000 type ratings just to see a guy take it and leave soon because you pay 45% below average.
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Old 03-29-2015, 12:33 PM
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Agreed. In every corporate aviation dept you will find a specific culture. Those that believe that there will always be continual turnover, whether it's for $20,000 or $200,000/yr. Then there are those who believe that keeping a familiar face in the front, a happy employee or a department that runs like a well-oiled machine is worth the extra cost for retention. I've seen both sides and have been lucky enough to belong to one of the latter. Will it change? Unlikely, unless a fundamental change is institued starting at the top of said company.
Unfortunately we work/live in a meritocratic or meritocracy. Basically that 1950-1990 or so (I was born in 1980 ) workers were valued and now are replaceable and long term employees cost more than they are worth in mgt eyes.

It's sad what our ****ry has become.
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Unfortunately we work/live in a meritocratic or meritocracy. Basically that 1950-1990 or so (I was born in 1980 ) workers were valued and now are replaceable and long term employees cost more than they are worth in mgt eyes.

It's sad what our ****ry has become.
Supply and demand will change thinking sooner than later. Regional airlines are feeling the pinch now. Many will fail for no other reason than they cannot keep pilots in the seats. In 2-5 years the crisis will be here. The pipeline for new pilots is now at a trickle. The majors are expanding flying but not yet hiring for the very real retirement flood. Where will the future mainline hiring come from? It will come from everywhere that isn't a major, sucking lifeblood from the SkyWests, Spirits, Corporate Flight Departments, et al.

Money will talk/increase at the Corporate level. 2-5 years. There will be an ugly crunch forcing many changes (Age 67+, $ increases, 1500 hr repeal, ab initio training, big rj's at the majors).
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Supply and demand will change thinking sooner than later. Regional airlines are feeling the pinch now. Many will fail for no other reason than they cannot keep pilots in the seats. In 2-5 years the crisis will be here. The pipeline for new pilots is now at a trickle. The majors are expanding flying but not yet hiring for the very real retirement flood. Where will the future mainline hiring come from? It will come from everywhere that isn't a major, sucking lifeblood from the SkyWests, Spirits, Corporate Flight Departments, et al.

Money will talk/increase at the Corporate level. 2-5 years. There will be an ugly crunch forcing many changes (Age 67+, $ increases, 1500 hr repeal, ab initio training, big rj's at the majors).
I appreciate your insight and predictions - but I am really looking for evidence that it is actually happening now rather than predictions about the future. Wanting to see if things are beginning to come to a boil. So far the only evidence I have heard of is WalMart's recent (substantial) pay adjustments. That is encouraging, just wondered if there were any other examples.

I do know on one operator that ALWAYS required (and got) typed and current pilots for their operation. They recently hired and the Chief Pilot told me that this was the first time in 10 years that they couldn't find a typed/current pilot and they instead hired someone and any him to school. Don't know what/if any effect this had on their pay.
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I'm 121/Legacy but the evidence is there and piling up. I recently heard from our leadership that the pilot shortage is real. I also know that the regionals are unable to fly their schedules with consistency due to pilot shortages. They cannot hire anyone to stem their attrition. One sick pilot = cancellation. No reserves. A few more years of that makes your ticket very valuable whether at an airline or in a King Air.
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Supply and demand will change thinking sooner than later. Regional airlines are feeling the pinch now. Many will fail for no other reason than they cannot keep pilots in the seats. In 2-5 years the crisis will be here. The pipeline for new pilots is now at a trickle. The majors are expanding flying but not yet hiring for the very real retirement flood. Where will the future mainline hiring come from? It will come from everywhere that isn't a major, sucking lifeblood from the SkyWests, Spirits, Corporate Flight Departments, et al.

Money will talk/increase at the Corporate level. 2-5 years. There will be an ugly crunch forcing many changes (Age 67+, $ increases, 1500 hr repeal, ab initio training, big rj's at the majors).
Amen to this brother! I hope you are right!
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Old 03-31-2015, 01:40 PM
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I am waiting on the airlines to pressure congress to rescend the 1500hr rule, or get waivers etc... Something will change, good and bad IMO. Will the U.S. System start to mimic what our oversea's competition is doing where they pay for your training?

It will be great for those already established in the industry, still concerned about the up and coming aviators.
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Doubt they'll go backwards and quite frankly, I don't believe they should.
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