Corporate Burnout
#21
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Joined APC: Mar 2014
Posts: 473
Ugh...I know you're trolling, but like a moth to flame I can't resist:
Not everyone wants to be an airline pilot. And I say that as an airline pilot at a legacy carrier. That said, if this guy wants to eventually fly for the airlines, I think you're right - he needs to head to the regionals.
Not everyone wants to be an airline pilot. And I say that as an airline pilot at a legacy carrier. That said, if this guy wants to eventually fly for the airlines, I think you're right - he needs to head to the regionals.
I am just passionate about this subject because I wish I had made the jump myself long time ago instead of only last year. And the longer one wait the more painful it is to make such jump.
Of course not everybody wants the airlines, but that subject has been discussed before multiple times.
#22
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Joined APC: Dec 2014
Position: E175 FO
Posts: 114
Thanks everyone for helping me be assured I wasn't crazy. I interviewed everywhere. Took a job with Compass. Been flying a couple citations too as a contract SIC typed FO. $400-500/day, hotel+meals. A whole lot better situation now.
#23
Is DL flow-thru still "a thing" at Compass. Even if not, the planes are sweet and the experience is solid. You're on the right path at the right time. Congratulations!
#24
HeWho,
Would you give more details on what the owners said when they got back to you? And have they found someone to replace you?
Also, (to anyone): are Regionals general accepting of pilots doing commercial flying outside of the airline? I figure it would encroach on the flight time limits in the FAR's, and they wouldn't allow it.
Would you give more details on what the owners said when they got back to you? And have they found someone to replace you?
Also, (to anyone): are Regionals general accepting of pilots doing commercial flying outside of the airline? I figure it would encroach on the flight time limits in the FAR's, and they wouldn't allow it.
#25
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Joined APC: Dec 2014
Position: E175 FO
Posts: 114
DL flow up is not a thing anymore, I think the last guy flows up in January.
Basically they said NO to any renegotiation of compensation/schedule/duties. I am unaware about a replacement, but
I'm sure they found someone fairly quickly...there is always an unending stream of young pilots looking for a gig that pays good money, and like many Part 91 owners, they paint a pretty rosy picture.
Regionals are generally not eager about their pilots flying outside. FOMs differ, some want an LOA from chief pilot, all require you to report outside flying. Yea, at 85/hr month guarantee I'm sure you cut it close if you fly much.
Basically they said NO to any renegotiation of compensation/schedule/duties. I am unaware about a replacement, but
I'm sure they found someone fairly quickly...there is always an unending stream of young pilots looking for a gig that pays good money, and like many Part 91 owners, they paint a pretty rosy picture.
Regionals are generally not eager about their pilots flying outside. FOMs differ, some want an LOA from chief pilot, all require you to report outside flying. Yea, at 85/hr month guarantee I'm sure you cut it close if you fly much.
#26
Good luck on your new position.
#27
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Joined APC: Jul 2014
Posts: 269
Hey everybody,
Wanted to get some perspective(s). I'm burning out at my current gig and trying to make sure that I'm not being unreasonable.
Here are the facts:
Single Pilot, 1 Aircraft (single turbo-prop)
24/7 365 on call. 56K a year. No bennies (1099). Hotels, but no meals or rental car paid for. No hard days off or PTO. No relief pilot. $50 per diem.
An average month is 17 days flying, 12-13 days overnights. Usually 12 hours notice, but about 25% less than that. Lots of redeyes and some international flying too.
I negotiated the terms for 2 years when it was represented that I'd be flying MAYBE 150 hours a year and they encouraged me to have other part time flying. I've flown 286 hours in 7 months, been gone 89 days out of the past 120. I have to give up trips on other jets all the time because of my lack of schedule.
I feel like I'm flying too much for too little (so say we all), but I am gone more than the average regional guy and not making much more coin after taxes, and I don't have hard days off. I figure I should be making $500 (+) per day if I'm flying this much and on-call 24/7, either that or I need solid days off.
My plan is to have a sit-down with the mgr and renegotiate compensation/schedule or walk (Boutique, Surf, something like that; or maybe even a Regional). They're nice enough people, but I'm burning out.
Also, I'm a pretty young guy just over ATP mins a year ago.
Am I being unreasonable?
Wanted to get some perspective(s). I'm burning out at my current gig and trying to make sure that I'm not being unreasonable.
Here are the facts:
Single Pilot, 1 Aircraft (single turbo-prop)
24/7 365 on call. 56K a year. No bennies (1099). Hotels, but no meals or rental car paid for. No hard days off or PTO. No relief pilot. $50 per diem.
An average month is 17 days flying, 12-13 days overnights. Usually 12 hours notice, but about 25% less than that. Lots of redeyes and some international flying too.
I negotiated the terms for 2 years when it was represented that I'd be flying MAYBE 150 hours a year and they encouraged me to have other part time flying. I've flown 286 hours in 7 months, been gone 89 days out of the past 120. I have to give up trips on other jets all the time because of my lack of schedule.
I feel like I'm flying too much for too little (so say we all), but I am gone more than the average regional guy and not making much more coin after taxes, and I don't have hard days off. I figure I should be making $500 (+) per day if I'm flying this much and on-call 24/7, either that or I need solid days off.
My plan is to have a sit-down with the mgr and renegotiate compensation/schedule or walk (Boutique, Surf, something like that; or maybe even a Regional). They're nice enough people, but I'm burning out.
Also, I'm a pretty young guy just over ATP mins a year ago.
Am I being unreasonable?
#28
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: Window seat
Posts: 5,155
#30
As far as the owners go, if they've set up that type of environment, it's something that will never change. Owners like that believe they know everything and know better than anyone else. With the current climate for pilots, they're going to find out, in very short order, that the position will become nothing but a revolving door and, while that may be fine with them, I'd hate to be a passenger on that aircraft. Unfortunately, more likely than not, there will always be someone who will take a job like that. While we've all had crappy positions, this is about as bad as I've ever heard of.
Good luck on your new position.
Good luck on your new position.
SMH
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