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Old 10-22-2016, 01:51 PM
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Look into carbon emissions too. EU makes you pay for your gasses, You would probably be classified as a small emitter but you have to open an account and submit your carbon monitoring plan.
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Old 10-22-2016, 01:52 PM
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Universal®: Aviation EU-ETS | EU-ETS Aviation | Aircraft CO2/Carbon Emissions Monitoring & Reporting
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Old 10-22-2016, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer View Post
Look at TrainATI (Dave Stohr) or Scott IPC for international training, FSI also has courses, if you use them. No recommendation, but they are leaders.
  1. Must have 8.33 radio spacing for EU. Check your fit
  2. Yes, the Blue Spruce routes don't have an HF requirement, but there are gaps at F410 over the Davis Strait. ATC expects you to be out of contact for about 20 minutes
  3. Can you go Gander non-stop to Iceland? If not, consider the Greenland options very carefully.
  4. EU Ops are different, but you can get around in English pretty easily. I never found France to be difficult compared to Russia, it's NYC.
  5. Canaries are wonderful

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Old 10-22-2016, 03:53 PM
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Which one?

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Which one?

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Oh yeah!

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Old 10-24-2016, 04:57 PM
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Put a SAFA binder together. If you're planning on stopping in France, there's a strong likelihood you'll be ramp checked, especially if your tail number is a first time visitor. The airports in the Western half of the country (Nantes, Brest, Bordeaux, La Rochelle) would all be considered if heading from Iceland to the Canaries and are just as susceptible to a SAFA check as Paris or Nice are, maybe more. In the Phenom, I might consider Jersey or Guernsey as tech stops, although weather can be an issue. Good luck and have fun.
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New from the FAA (and it's actually really good). Look at it before you go international:

http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/m.../AC_91-70B.pdf
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Old 12-04-2016, 06:44 AM
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Hello all,

Thank you for all the replies. We made it to the Canaries yesterday! Making the Atlantic crossing was definitely an adventure including scraping ice off the plane and getting deiced in Goose Bay, a change from Keflavik to Reykjavik due to weather and of course my first oceanic crossing.

Question for anyone who has crossed before and may know the answer!
First of all, we are not HF equipped, so we knew we had to avoid Shanwick's airspace.
We contracted with Universal to do flight planning and handling for us. Going from Reykjavik to Vigo Spain, they filed us on the T9 route through Shanwick's oceanic airspace (from 51N9W to 45N9W). I thought this was strange, and brought it to the attention of the captain. He said the T9 route was VHF capable.

Well passing into Shanwick's airspace we were told to contact Shannon radio. When we did they gave me an HF freq and no VHF. I told them we needed a VHF freq, and after a few minutes they came back and said "ATC advises that you must be HF equipped to fly through Shanwick's oceanic airspace. They will make a log entry." After conversing with the captain we made mention to the radio operator that we thought the T route was VHF capable. She came back with ATCs response of "All of Shanwick's airspace requires HF radio."

As soon as we landed in Spain we called Universal and they said they understood the T route was VHF capable.

So....
1- What the heck does a log entry mean?!
2- I'm sure some of you are wondering why we kept going through it when I brought it to the Captain's attention. This was my first time in Europe and I trusted Universal. Did I make a mistake in trusting a company that exclusively does this kind of planning?

Thanks for any answers, and go easy on me, I want to know how we can improve so this doesn't happen again on the way back.
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Originally Posted by livinthedream89 View Post
Hello all,

Thank you for all the replies. We made it to the Canaries yesterday! Making the Atlantic crossing was definitely an adventure including scraping ice off the plane and getting deiced in Goose Bay, a change from Keflavik to Reykjavik due to weather and of course my first oceanic crossing.

Question for anyone who has crossed before and may know the answer!
First of all, we are not HF equipped, so we knew we had to avoid Shanwick's airspace.
We contracted with Universal to do flight planning and handling for us. Going from Reykjavik to Vigo Spain, they filed us on the T9 route through Shanwick's oceanic airspace (from 51N9W to 45N9W). I thought this was strange, and brought it to the attention of the captain. He said the T9 route was VHF capable.

Well passing into Shanwick's airspace we were told to contact Shannon radio. When we did they gave me an HF freq and no VHF. I told them we needed a VHF freq, and after a few minutes they came back and said "ATC advises that you must be HF equipped to fly through Shanwick's oceanic airspace. They will make a log entry." After conversing with the captain we made mention to the radio operator that we thought the T route was VHF capable. She came back with ATCs response of "All of Shanwick's airspace requires HF radio."

As soon as we landed in Spain we called Universal and they said they understood the T route was VHF capable.

So....
1- What the heck does a log entry mean?!
2- I'm sure some of you are wondering why we kept going through it when I brought it to the Captain's attention. This was my first time in Europe and I trusted Universal. Did I make a mistake in trusting a company that exclusively does this kind of planning?

Thanks for any answers, and go easy on me, I want to know how we can improve so this doesn't happen again on the way back.
Welcome to the other side of 30W!!
Companies such as Colt, Universal and Arinc are pretty spot on with their info and procedures so it's hard to not trust them.
Please refer to this article about the T routes through Shanwick.
http://flightservicebureau.org/the-t...-tango-routes/

HF is required in Shanwick airspace.
As for a log entry, I think they will note what happened with the tail number. Shouldn't be anything more than note taking.

Have fun over there!
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