Flying to Europe/Canary Islands in a Phenom
10-20-2016, 06:29 PM
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Flying to Europe/Canary Islands in a Phenom
Hello all,
I fly a Phenom 300 out of KSDL and the boss just asked about getting them to the Canary Islands (I'm planning on GCLA). We would have to get to Reykjavik then somewhere in France then on to GCLA.
Couple of questions..
1- We've never to Europe before, would you recommend an International Ops training course of some kind beforehand?
2- Does anyone know if you need an HF radio for the Canary Islands?
Last I checked the Phenom 300 doesn't have an STC for an HF radio so I'm trying to see if it's a possibility at all to get there.
Thanks in advance!
I fly a Phenom 300 out of KSDL and the boss just asked about getting them to the Canary Islands (I'm planning on GCLA). We would have to get to Reykjavik then somewhere in France then on to GCLA.
Couple of questions..
1- We've never to Europe before, would you recommend an International Ops training course of some kind beforehand?
2- Does anyone know if you need an HF radio for the Canary Islands?
Last I checked the Phenom 300 doesn't have an STC for an HF radio so I'm trying to see if it's a possibility at all to get there.
Thanks in advance!
10-21-2016, 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by livinthedream89
Hello all,
I fly a Phenom 300 out of KSDL and the boss just asked about getting them to the Canary Islands (I'm planning on GCLA). We would have to get to Reykjavik then somewhere in France then on to GCLA.
Couple of questions..
1- We've never to Europe before, would you recommend an International Ops training course of some kind beforehand?
2- Does anyone know if you need an HF radio for the Canary Islands?
Last I checked the Phenom 300 doesn't have an STC for an HF radio so I'm trying to see if it's a possibility at all to get there.
Thanks in advance!
I fly a Phenom 300 out of KSDL and the boss just asked about getting them to the Canary Islands (I'm planning on GCLA). We would have to get to Reykjavik then somewhere in France then on to GCLA.
Couple of questions..
1- We've never to Europe before, would you recommend an International Ops training course of some kind beforehand?
2- Does anyone know if you need an HF radio for the Canary Islands?
Last I checked the Phenom 300 doesn't have an STC for an HF radio so I'm trying to see if it's a possibility at all to get there.
Thanks in advance!
Fly safe,
B757
10-21-2016, 05:17 AM
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Thanks for the replies.
Where would I look to see if I need an HF radio to get to the Azores from the US? I apologize for the ignorance but we've only ever flown domestic. The trip would be much easier if I could go from CYYT then to LPAZ, but I'm not sure about HF radio requirements.
Where would I look to see if I need an HF radio to get to the Azores from the US? I apologize for the ignorance but we've only ever flown domestic. The trip would be much easier if I could go from CYYT then to LPAZ, but I'm not sure about HF radio requirements.
10-21-2016, 07:37 AM
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I would not attempt the Azores from the US.
Too far and too few options out if you were able to make it and something went wrong.
Blue Spruce routes is the way to go for the Phenom.
No HF required for those routes.
BIKF is great for quick tech stops.
Study up on ICAO standards and radio wide/narrow range tuning.
Have a blast!!
Too far and too few options out if you were able to make it and something went wrong.
Blue Spruce routes is the way to go for the Phenom.
No HF required for those routes.
BIKF is great for quick tech stops.
Study up on ICAO standards and radio wide/narrow range tuning.
Have a blast!!
10-21-2016, 07:47 AM
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The link below takes you to a very nice generalization on NAT crossings. A lot of good information there. In terms of not having HF, have you looked into Blue Spruce Routes? These routes keep you within VHF range since you are always in range of land. These routes benefit aircraft that are not equipped with Lang range communications.
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/.../media/nat.pdf
You beat me to the Blue Spruce Routes RI83. Curses
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/.../media/nat.pdf
You beat me to the Blue Spruce Routes RI83. Curses
10-21-2016, 08:04 AM
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Look at TrainATI (Dave Stohr) or Scott IPC for international training, FSI also has courses, if you use them. No recommendation, but they are leaders.
GF
- Must have 8.33 radio spacing for EU. Check your fit
- Yes, the Blue Spruce routes don't have an HF requirement, but there are gaps at F410 over the Davis Strait. ATC expects you to be out of contact for about 20 minutes
- Can you go Gander non-stop to Iceland? If not, consider the Greenland options very carefully.
- EU Ops are different, but you can get around in English pretty easily. I never found France to be difficult compared to Russia, it's NYC.
- Canaries are wonderful
GF
10-21-2016, 10:28 AM
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Besides all the regulatory requirements, radios, etc., don't be afraid to ask the controllers for clarification of procedures if you are not sure. They are all very professional and would rather have you ask than not understand what they are expecting you to do. Not saying you shouldn't be well prepared but the North Atlantic crossing procedures are vastly different than domestic flying.
Have fun and enjoy the trip.
Have fun and enjoy the trip.
10-21-2016, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by RI830
I would not attempt the Azores from the US.
Too far and too few options out if you were able to make it and something went wrong.
Blue Spruce routes is the way to go for the Phenom.
No HF required for those routes.
BIKF is great for quick tech stops.
Study up on ICAO standards and radio wide/narrow range tuning.
Have a blast!!
Too far and too few options out if you were able to make it and something went wrong.
Blue Spruce routes is the way to go for the Phenom.
No HF required for those routes.
BIKF is great for quick tech stops.
Study up on ICAO standards and radio wide/narrow range tuning.
Have a blast!!
Also look at:
International Flight Resources
Guy can give you a tailored training session.
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