gloopy

Ha. Not only that, we are just now getting back to the post merger pilot count. We shed about 1000 or so pilot positions (and were still told every 5 minutes about how overstaffed we were and lucky to not be furloughing) so we've finally replaced the lost positions as well as the retirements with a little pad for near term bubble churn for upcoming retirements.

Not that long ago pre-merger DL had what, like over 10,000 pilots? How many did NWA have? Yes a few at each were FE's but we have become fanacticaly more "productive" since then.

mikea72580

No one thought C2012 would cause more 76 seaters to "destroy" mainline jobs. Clearly by adding 88 B-717s, mainline would grow. Network needed those airplanes to tap into revenue opportunities in the marketplace. What we questioned was what Delta would do when we disallowed an additional 100 76 seaters. Would they:

A) Fill that void indefinitely with their only available option at the Regionals -50 seaters.

Or

B) Bring a fleet to mainline to perform the segment of the flying now done by 100 new 76 seaters.

Everyone knows that the 50 seat option was dead. We would probably already have E-190 at Delta if we had stopped the 76 seat growth in C2012. Clearly the 717 were coming anyways. The fact that we have hired to staff the 717 has no correlation to allowing the company an additional 100 76 seaters. Unless, of course, you believe Delta would have passed on the deal of the decade by not leasing those B-717. Which, in that case, you might want to start listening to quarterly conference calls to understand how this company works.

texavia

Yet, it is the replacement for the 757 and yes you knew that was the fricking point to begin with. Why, across the board, are all the replacement a/c lower paying than what it replaces?

Please feel free to put me on IGNORE as I have put you.

SawF16

There were plenty of keyboard warriors with mathmatical and spreadsheet models claiming exactly that during the vote for C2012. You dont remember the "FUD" "they'll just take delivery of all the 717s, get the numbers to work delivery ratio wise, then park every domestic mainline fleet instantly!!"? There was a great deal of bad math involved, but that drum was definitely being beaten.

sailingfun

The A330 sure seems to pay a lot more then the 767. The A350 will pay even more. Many of the 737's were picking up DC9 flying. We are taking back a big chunk of domestic DCI flying. Did you expect they would buy 777's for that? When they place the order to start retiring the mad dogs I suspect it will be a airframe that pays as well or better. My money is on the 737 max.

rube

Well bless your heart, you just asked the stupidest question ever posed on APC. Congratulations.

Profit sharing takes just one bad quarter to vanish for the whole year. Pay concessions take a trip to bankruptcy court, plus an 1113 filing. That took three years last time before we got to LOA 46. Hard rates compound over time, increase our share of the profit sharing pie as a hedge versus dilution among a larger pool of employees, and are subject to negotiation, while variable compensation follows the whim of the market.

The TA rates pay more than 2004 rates, and the whole thing beats the CPI dating back to 1991.

"Cube rat?" You can surely do better than that. If you can't win on the terms, you attack the person.

texavia

You made a blanket statement that rates can be locked in - and in this post by your own words they can't. That makes everything you posted the stupidest on APC.

You're real good at parroting sailingfun though, I have to admit.

One more thing - don't lecture me on airline bankruptcy, been there, done that, 3 damn times.

ImTumbleweed

You must be really fun to fly with...if you fly.

IT'S NOT ABOUT PAY! It's about the MASSIVE concessions.

newKnow

What about American Airlines pilots? Do you have those rates to compare?

sailingfun

I don't have time to post the tables but will will exceed American's rates on every aircraft type. The average is 3.5% higher on 1 JAN 16. If we believe the forum we will also see profits that will generate at least 14% more in PS for a total of 17.5% more then American.