UGBSM

Baffling... Why on earth would you think we can or should try to control the hiring pace? You can't control that. You might as well put it in our contract that we always have at least a ten knot headwind.

Why would you spend one penny of negotiating capital on that anyway? I thought we were done giving away our money on things the company had to buy anyway, like more airplanes or pilots.

And the best thing we ever did was get rid of vacation sell back. Why? We used to get seven weeks of vacation until we proved that we didn't really need or want that much.

I don't even know what box you are trying to think outside of.

newKnow

Let me ask you a question:


Do you think it's really constructive to engage in that kind of discussion with me?


Seriously. I made a simple point that the unions survey was suspect, that we should be leading them in a different direction, and made a suggestion to move them away the draconian provisions that were in the last TA.

The point was that IF the hiring pace slowed, vacation flying would stop. Period.


It was a mere suggestion for people to consider and only the most respectful (climbclimbnow and gunfighter) seemed to consider the whole thing before they fired.

Do you think it's a good practice to talk before you listen?

I also asked for people to come up with their own ideas - sort of like when I posted the TAFacts.com thread here. Do you have any?


I see why people never volunteer for anything and why we are at the mercy of the union "thinkers." Trust me, I'll stay in my box from here on out.



Good luck.

Purple Drank

How about voluntary WS to FARs. Time and a half pay over 75. But only with unlimited personal drops regardless of reserve coverage all year. That would pretty much force the company to offer holiday pay.

Full disclosure: I have not thought through the unwanted consequences.

Dirtdiver

Time and a half over 60, double at 80. Sell it that it avoids having to give us a min hours/month like the FAs

scambo1

While I think the company would balk at that, because they already get it free, it would, could, and maybe should be a litmus for understaffing.

BobZ

Your time would be better spent going in the direction of a new CBA than wasting time and energy trying to save the titanic.

Turbo1

This thread is heading towards wasted space ......Left 5 degrees to get back on course.

newKnow

It shouldn't be wasted space, unless you think the survey will lead to something productive and don't feel that is it leading to a watered down version of the last failed TA.


We should strive for an industry leading contract (by far) -- superior to what we have, with more protections for advancement.


Don't let peoples inability to read distract you.


Let the discussion continue -- respectfully.

Doug Masters

NewK has spoken. The discussion shall continue...

Flamer

Let's take care of the people here first. Then worry about the people that want to be here later. And for F's sake, let's quit trying to solve company created problems.