gloopy

Not to mention DALPA's borderline dangerous "interpretation" of 117's "8 hours of uninterrupted sleep opportunity" clause. That, in no case ever in history, could EVER be met with 8 hours behind the door. It will ALWAYS be more than that by a reasonable amount. How much is reasonable? Picture yourself sitting at a large mahogany table with a glass of water facing an army of opposition, many of whom pushed you into doing it, who are now basically accusing you of being a rogue maverick and challenging you to prove to them that you had said 8 hours of uninterrupted sleep opportunity. You think telling them you face planted by the bathroom door in uniform before the door closed behind you and got 8.0 hours of actual sleep in exactly 8.0 hours in the room, then rose like a vampire and walked out exactly 8.0 hours later is going to fulfill that requirement?

IMO anything less than 9 behind the door is absolutely impossible to defend and is therefore illegal. Maybe a few minutes less if you're a narcoleptic without facial hair that always brings their own food and doesn't need/choses not to shower.

404yxl

Exactly. You can go ahead and stay on rest for 10+ hours and deviate to get home later. I'm sure plenty others and myself will deviate early to go home to our own bed and families.

If the company wants to schedule it less than 10 hours, great! Now they have no way to touch me. Pre-117 they could get away with 8 hours and no minimum in a hotel room. You want to go back to that?!

RetiredFTS

Can someone tell me what triggers reroute pay? Was extended on last day of trip by 7 hours due to late departure and inadequate rest day prior.

trustbutverify

1. There is nothing stopping anyone from deviating to an earlier DH with a scheduled layover longer than 9 hours. However, there are numerous issues and situations limiting the ability to deviate to a later DH.

2. The only legal DH deviation is to something earlier, not later. For a reserve for instance, you're clock resets at the completion of scheduled DH, not the later DH if that's what is chosen. Also, crew hotel bookings for follow on crews are predicated on the scheduled layover, not the later DH deviation - i.e. you may be occupying someone else's room if you stay longer than scheduled.

3. The company has to give you 10 hours break from duty completion after the layover whether it was 9 hours or 24 hours. Difference is, now they have you on the hook earlier (if reserve) with the 9 hour layover.

4. Not all 9 hour layovers are front or back end of rotation. Some are in the middle.

5. I thought I made it pretty clear in my earlier post, I do not support going back to a dangerously flawed FAR 121. I do support raising the bar to what other carriers have as minimum layovers.

Finally, do you or have you ever had a position in DALPA?

trustbutverify

Sorry, don't have the answer but didn't want to bury your question...

PieO

Good evening fellow Delta pilots. PieO here as a new participant... former military pilot, and happy to be here at Delta. Looking forward to getting questions answered and discussing our issues. I agree to the rules.

JamesBond

Welcome aboard!

Elliot

One reroute (RR) trigger, there are multiple, is if the actual RR caused an extension to your originally scheduled rotation.

Example: Report for a four-day at 0800, released on fourth day at 1800. If the reroute exceeds this original footprint, you are entitled to (RR) pay.

For additional information, or questions specific to your added flying, contact D-ALPA Scheduling, they've always offered a quick response. (1-800-USA-ALPA)

RetiredFTS

Thanks Elliott.

james014

Zika question. I know that if you don't want to go to Zika destinations, bid to avoid them. What happens if you end up getting one of them?

Also more important for my case right now....On a trip to MIA which has just now been classified to have Zika. Wife is pregnant, any chance to change the trip to avoid it? and who to call?