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Old 05-19-2016, 05:37 AM
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Looks like management just wants to keep kicking a hornets nest. Management still wants concessions in Scope, where they are still out of balance in the AF/Royal Dutch KLM JV.
Write your reps...don't give management any concessions on the widebody scope metrics.

Per Diem , 401K, vacation, CQ....company apparently still wants failed TA offerings.

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Pretty much all the things I voted no for.
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Looks like management just wants to keep kicking a hornets nest.
Management is pretty much showing open disdain for the pilot group.
That would have unnerved the old DALPA. Not gonna work this time.

Oh well. They have a couple more months to stall if they wish.

Then it will be time for the pilots to turn up the heat.

I say we organize the flight attendants.
Apparently there is some support for that idea on the MEC. We'll see.
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No need to do anything. 28-30% profit sharing check coming in Feb. Oil prices will be low for years due to excess capacity. We'll wait and keep cashing the check every Feb.

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Originally Posted by Check Essential View Post
Management is pretty much showing open disdain for the pilot group.
That would have unnerved the old DALPA. Not gonna work this time.

Oh well. They have a couple more months to stall if they wish.

Then it will be time for the pilots to turn up the heat.

I say we organize the flight attendants.
Apparently there is some support for that idea on the MEC. We'll see.
I suspect if we encouraged the flight attendants to organize it would have the opposite effect and result in more no votes. Several entities have tried numerous times to organize the flight attendants. They have poured large sums of money into the effort without success.
I am actually not even sure what you're suggesting. Do you want ALPA to represent them? Do you want ALPA to provide the financial support for another AFA attempt. How much do you think we should spend?
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Old 05-19-2016, 12:20 PM
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Pretty much all the things I voted no for.
Surprisingly it appears we have agreed to concessions already in some sections. It appears we may have a agreement on sick leave soon that addresses the companies perceived issues.
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I say we organize the flight attendants.
Hell to the no.
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Surprisingly it appears we have agreed to concessions already in some sections. It appears we may have a agreement on sick leave soon that addresses the companies perceived issues.
That ends up being an easy no vote then.
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How on earth would organizing the FA's help us?
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Originally Posted by DALMD88FO View Post
That ends up being an easy no vote then.
The Company’s primary concerns seem to be extremely high uses of sick leave in a small minority of pilots and the continuing rise of sick leave usage overall. Recent discussions have centered on exploring acceptable paths to addressing these issues without increasing access to a pilot’s medical records or decreasing total sick leave accrual.
Although there is much work left to do, these discussions are showing some promise.

In addition to the above it looks like we will allow virtual basing and vacation sell back. Both are job killers. Before lots of pilots get excited by virtual basing keep in mind the company only wants it for a limited number of widebody international flights to eliminate deadheads.
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