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07-26-2016, 10:04 AM
#111
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Originally Posted by Jughead135
That's a rather... generous reading of the language.
Indeed, the actual contract language will determine. That said, I'm betting the company's interpretation doesn't match yours....
Indeed, the actual contract language will determine. That said, I'm betting the company's interpretation doesn't match yours....
07-26-2016, 10:07 AM
#112
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Originally Posted by Dirtdiver
Here's a crazy idea: quit staffing NY for the summer peak flying. Man it for the winter low season, and build NY layovers for the more desirable bases in the summer. It would cost less than the training churn caused by everyone trying to bail out of NY.
07-26-2016, 10:09 AM
#113
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Originally Posted by milky
Applying today's logic to this scenario of seat freeze is poor logic.
If there is a seat freeze, there is less churn. That means less people are bailing from the 88 and 717. If that's the case, the NYC new hires that are waiting for their chance to get to ATL (or elemsewhere but the majority move to ATL) will have a longer wait. Meanwhile, that 18month FO that is hiding his time waiting to get in the ER is watching new hires get hire directly into the category he wants. Now that spot is locked up for 2 years. So the poor stay poorer. Less churn means less opportunities for people to settle where they like. Maybe I want to be 88ATL and you want to be ERNYC. Well we are stuck in each other's job for at least a year longer now.
Not to mention the pay difference. How are you going to lock me into a seat that pays less than another seat against my will and make me stay there.
THIS IS A CONCESSION!!!!
NO!
If there is a seat freeze, there is less churn. That means less people are bailing from the 88 and 717. If that's the case, the NYC new hires that are waiting for their chance to get to ATL (or elemsewhere but the majority move to ATL) will have a longer wait. Meanwhile, that 18month FO that is hiding his time waiting to get in the ER is watching new hires get hire directly into the category he wants. Now that spot is locked up for 2 years. So the poor stay poorer. Less churn means less opportunities for people to settle where they like. Maybe I want to be 88ATL and you want to be ERNYC. Well we are stuck in each other's job for at least a year longer now.
Not to mention the pay difference. How are you going to lock me into a seat that pays less than another seat against my will and make me stay there.
THIS IS A CONCESSION!!!!
NO!
07-26-2016, 10:14 AM
#114
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
They already do that, extensively.
07-26-2016, 01:22 PM
#115
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Everyone on the list other then a new hire is locked into a seat for two years and faces the same issues when things are moving fast.
...with the significant difference that they either bid to that seat or kept it after their seat lock was up. Apples & oranges to a NH who, depending on his class' drop and his relative seniority within the class, may have few or even no choices to make re category.
But you knew that.
07-27-2016, 02:53 PM
#116
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Originally Posted by DAL73n
I'm sure they still have 5,000 qualified candidates on file so I don't think they're worried yet.
07-27-2016, 03:01 PM
#117
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Originally Posted by Dirtdiver
Here's a crazy idea: quit staffing NY for the summer peak flying. Man it for the winter low season, and build NY layovers for the more desirable bases in the summer. It would cost less than the training churn caused by everyone trying to bail out of NY.
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