Is this for real.
10-23-2016, 06:09 PM
#151
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Originally Posted by ronnie75
Next contract--Gateway issue. Sick leave. All sick must be verified by a Dr's note. Physician's assistant notes will be accepted on a case by case basis, after meeting an SRB. Why are we bickering with each other?
10-23-2016, 06:11 PM
#152
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Herkflyer, I am not on the same page as you. I respect your opinion, you are probably very similar to me in background, morals, beliefs, etc. I don't get why you think it is acceptable to make our contract worse in anyway while the company makes billions. When they lose money in the next black swan event, will vacation get an extra 15 minutes of credit and pay? It won't. Why have you given up?
10-23-2016, 06:14 PM
#153
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Originally Posted by Herkflyr
Why are you making stuff up to stir the pot and perpetuate said bickering? That is a purely hypothetical "what if?" We could do that all over the contract in countless ways. I am sure that our negotiators and strategic planning committee consider these sort of questions all the time, but it seems like a bit of overkill for a line pilot to do so.
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10-23-2016, 06:40 PM
#154
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Originally Posted by KnotSoFast
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OK, you have convinced me with your unshakable logic...
I am voting NO because of what YOU say MIGHT happen in 3 yrs.
Or not.
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OK, you have convinced me with your unshakable logic...
I am voting NO because of what YOU say MIGHT happen in 3 yrs.
Or not.
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10-23-2016, 07:20 PM
#155
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Originally Posted by ronnie75
I didn't ask her to accept a list of concessions for it.
If you were the only family that had work for her that didn't entail her taking a 50pct or greater pay cut, you could ask her for some relief, like an extra 15 mins in Saturday night. If you offered her 30 pct more, she might take it!
10-23-2016, 07:34 PM
#156
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Originally Posted by ronnie75
Next contract--Gateway issue. Sick leave. All sick must be verified by a Dr's note. Physician's assistant notes will be accepted on a case by case basis, after meeting an SRB. Why are we bickering with each other?
If your logic is that we should vote this TA down because of what you THINK might be in the next TA, I think we should vote for this TA, because the next one will certainly pay $5000 per hour for the FO seat for the 100 space shuttles we are taking delivery of.
Or wait. Maybe we should just vote on this TA based on what's in it and judge the next TA for what's in that one.
Just a suggestion.
10-23-2016, 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by marcal
She can also choose to go to any other family she wants. She also doesn't have to "start over" in terms of real compensation to do so. You COULD have asked her for more hours, or maybe to drive themselves home as opposed to you picking them up and driving them.
If you were the only family that had work for her that didn't entail her taking a 50pct or greater pay cut, you could ask her for some relief, like an extra 15 mins in Saturday night. If you offered her 30 pct more, she might take it!
If you were the only family that had work for her that didn't entail her taking a 50pct or greater pay cut, you could ask her for some relief, like an extra 15 mins in Saturday night. If you offered her 30 pct more, she might take it!
10-24-2016, 02:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ronnie75
There is a list of 40-50 concessions, but I won't go there.
40-50? Seriously?
Are you one of the latest graduates of the Spaghetti Flinging Courses?
10-24-2016, 02:33 AM
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Originally Posted by ronnie75
Thanks for the civil discussion. That would not be reasonable. Actually I could not afford that. I'm paying her slightly above industry average. I'd vote yes to a TA that paid us industry average, with no changes to our contract.
10-24-2016, 02:45 AM
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Originally Posted by TED74
I pay my part time nanny more than the going rate, and I have given unsolicited raises too. I pay what her services are worth to my family and not what we could get away with. In return, I get above-average effort, timeliness, schedule flexibility, etc...basically, she keeps her backpack on. We have numerous friends who pay average, and have had to deal with nanny turnover like we've never witnessed. You get what you pay for.
