Putter Feet

This is must read from Council 7 LEC, Block 4 Rep. Well need to evaluate this carefully. No hysteria, just the truth. Thanks K.T. Changed to a YES.

https://fdx.alpa.org/Home/Content/Co...e-10-5-15.aspx

Anthrax

[QUOTE=Putter Feet;1985904]This is must read from Council 7 LEC, Block 4 Rep. Well need to evaluate this carefully. No hysteria, just the truth. Thanks K.T. Changed to a YES.

Yeah, but you were always a YES vote, Futter Peet! Please don't insult the rest of us by implying KT's comm is so gosh darn persuasive that you now feel compelled to vote yes. His comm is like all the other vote-YES comms, how this is far from great, but how my NC speaks for me, and what would happen if we vote it down, and blah blah blah, and it's a business decision and get the emotion out of it, and I'm smart for voting yes and you're dumb for voting no, and on and on with the same ole bull!

RedeyeAV8r

The Block 4 rep is certainly entitled to his opinion.

He stated, however, that the 2006 Contract did not improve the DB Plan or A-plan.

This is quite inaccurate. It was improved for some. Remember the everyone above the Age 54 issue?
There was a pretty good Multiplier Bump indexed up the older a pilot was (up to 2.4%) which did in fact raise the pension well above $130,000 for the Pilots retiring within 5 years.

This was to make up for the Lack of years to gain anything from a 7% B plan which was raised from 6. It was done in 2006, why couldn't it be done today?

Raptor

A thought or two. KT says it may be possible to do retirement outside of the contract. This is a major point of his if we say yes to the TA. Our chairman, CD, just said that was highly unlikely. The only way I see retirement outside of section 6 is if the company saves more money via that method. Wouldn't that be silly of us to give away money in retirement without gaining something back somewhere else? But, who knows, it could happen.

KT's argument implies to me that all the other MEC votes directing the NC were unanimous. I say this because I can see a MEC member voting NO now wasn't on board the entire time.

He also proposes chaos would ensue at the union. I disagree. I followed the Delta forums closely. They have a lot (huge amount more) of anger at their MEC and a good portion of them prior to their TA wanted to leave ALPA. To say that the same chaos would happen here is unlikely. The only recall I have heard anything about here is CC trying to recall MA the block 11 representative! MA is against the TA, not a yes rep being recalled! I think the NC would step down, but I don't think we would have other chaos recalls and such moving forward.

But, all of this is pure guesswork. Do you want to live for a decade under this TA? Vote yes. Don't want to, vote No. Let the experts take us forward either way. We are all in the cheap seats.

Rock

Did you read AS's latest email today? I thought it was an embarrassing mess. But she is essentially saying management has already divided us and we need to be prepared for major changes in union leadership.
Her attempt to "educate" us on the difference between military and civilian terminology was also kind of revealing. For her education, an "after action report" is not the same as a "post mortem" report. Not really even close. But I haven't been impressed with any of her analogy attempts.

busdriver12

I was rather struck by her pronouncements of how we are ALL feeling, in so many different ways. Whether you agree or disagree with the message, it seemed incredibly arrogant to take it upon oneself to speak for ALL FedEx pilots. No matter how this goes down, I will absolutely not have "shaken faith in our fellow pilots".

Rock

She calls that (shaken faith in our fellow pilots) a "consequence we can use to our advantage". Yikes.

busdriver12

And what the hell does that mean? I am supporting the decision of the majority no matter how this goes down. If it's a no, I will do whatever is needed and support the group to get the quickest and best resolution possible. If it's a yes, I will hold the company to the contract, know the entire thing thoroughly so they can't take advantage, and not spend my time complaining about people!

CloudSailor

I agree. Those first 4 bullet points are rather assuming.

But, the rest of her message was valid, IMO. Particularly her following bullet points:

A Plan improvement for all
B Plan improvement for all
Substantial quality of life improvements
Hourly Rates of Pay that far exceed any industry standard

Are you willing to let this TA diminish our faith and goodwill?
Are you willing to fight for at least one of your cornerstones?
Are you willing to persevere to get the right deal or simply accept the divisive one that management has offered?
Or do you believe that management has defeated us?

MaxKts

Post-Mortem: An analysis or discussion of an event held soon after it has occurred, especially in order to determine why it was a failure: an election post-mortem on why the party lost

What was that you were saying?