One of the companies next to my flight school flies Super King Air B-200s. My student (going to be comm multi in about a week or so) approached me today and told me that he heard they are looking for someone to sit in the right seat for the "passenger comfort" aspect of seeing two pilots in the cockpit. The person who told my student about the job told him that there would be a way to log the time. To my understanding, I dont think this is correct. My student has been actively trying to convince me that this is a way to build time rather than taking the CFI route. Obviously I disagree. My question is am I right? I know you dont need a type rating but I thought the King Air was only one-pilot certified. Opinions, facts appreciated...
Thanks guy and gals
Last edited by wmuflyboy; 05-26-2009 at 03:29 PM.
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I'm not as knowledgable as some of the rest of the guys who participate on this Forum about logging time as an SIC on the KA200; however, if I remember correctly, I believe that he can under certain situations and conditions; mainly if the Ops Manual for the outfit calls for one and he meets insurance requirements.
You may want to PM wrxpilot directly. He flies as an FO on a KA350 I believe.
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Why would he want to log SIC when he could log PIC.
If the Capt is an MEI and willing to sign a logbook, your student can log it up. This is not only legal dual recieved, I also think it would be ethical as well. Assuming the capt has more than 200 total, there is a TON your student could learn from him.
In my mind, if he's not required, but is gaining experience, he is receiving dual. If he's receiving dual and he's a multi-comm, its PIC. PERIOD.
Also, just for the record, I agree that you should try to convince him that he's not going to go anywhere with 1000 turbine-PIC dual received, and that he has a lot greater chance of not killing himself or others in the future if he gets into a better career path to learn...ie, CFI, night frieght, etc.
The insurance may forbid "instruction" given in the aircraft.? That could end the legal way, assuming he is even a MEI.
I was asked a long time ago to fly right seat on a Cheyenne 400LS for part 135 charters. I actually took a 135 checkride with the FAA for this. The PIC sat in the left, I sat in the right, and the FAA sat in the forward most passenger seat to observe. We took turns flying on the checkride. The aircraft did not require two pilots, but the company and passengers wanted two. I logged my time as SIC and even some PIC on part 91 flights that I flew at the controls. No one ever questioned my time. I did keep a copy of the 135 FAA checkride in my logbook for evidence.
it looks like the best way is to just ask the guys next door anyways. who knows, maybe im interested in the gig for something on the side to gain some experience. my student would probably hate me though....
The dual time at first could be towards a high performance/high altitude endorsement, type specific towards BE20, or towards an ATP. Obviously you can't log PIC time without the hp/ha endorsement - and as a rule of thumb, the first PIC time you have should be type specific training as dual, even if it is just a Part 91.
There is a book, "Everything Explained for the Professional Pilot", that explains this and just about every issue similar from the FAA's point of view. It is a great book for getting a real interpretation of pretty much all of the regs. I'd be a little careful logging "SIC" in a aircraft that doesn't require a type rating, unless the two pilot thing is on the OPSPEC. Also, if you do log time in the BE20, be prepared to answer very system specific questions on an interview.
First of all coming from a kid that has a bit of experience riding right seat in the King Air, it is great experience. The only time I ever log time is when I am flying, managing the auto pilot, or receiving instruction. The type of flying that I do should prolly require two pilots on board although it doesn’t, so most of the time I run the radios and soak up tips and tricks from the guys I fly with and log nothing. No, before someone says it I do get paid for what I do, fairly well I might add. I have learned more from the right seat observing, as an instructor and as dead weight, than I have actually flying.
The rule that I live by is this: "you can log anything that you want, BUT just be able to explain it to the FAA or future employer.”