Ever get a Fed on the SIM Jumpseat for days?
10-22-2014, 09:42 AM
#21
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2009
Position: Left seat of a Jet
Posts: 514
Originally Posted by kingairfun
Engine start, engine start malfunction, taxi, don't cross the hold short line, t/o, stalls, steep turns, various standard approaches, a few single engine. A V-1 cut, a couple holds after a missed.
Every check ride is the same.... You know if you did well enough to pass
Every check ride is the same.... You know if you did well enough to pass
10-22-2014, 06:13 PM
#22
Banned
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,222
Originally Posted by bozobigtop
Just wait till you reach the land of the 4 plus hour orals and checkrides lasting just as long. I bet you will remove those blinders of make believe world.
Then again I've never worked for a sh.itbag operator...
I'll go back to my land of make believe.... I'll just let the 767 take me there.
10-22-2014, 07:06 PM
#23
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jan 2012
Posts: 93
Originally Posted by rickair7777
Here's a little insight...
If someone with checking authority (ie fed, DPE, check airman) deviates very far from the accepted script they've already decided that you're going to pass or that they're not going to veto you.
If someone fails (even a justified failure) when there were shenigans occurring or the event was off-script, that student now has ammo to make waves and nobody wants to deal with that.
When a checking event gets off track, I know I can relax...
If someone with checking authority (ie fed, DPE, check airman) deviates very far from the accepted script they've already decided that you're going to pass or that they're not going to veto you.
If someone fails (even a justified failure) when there were shenigans occurring or the event was off-script, that student now has ammo to make waves and nobody wants to deal with that.
When a checking event gets off track, I know I can relax...
At that point I assumed I passed, and he got a little bored...
10-23-2014, 06:25 AM
#24
Otto
Joined APC: Jul 2013
Position: Turkish Pile Driver
Posts: 1,806
Originally Posted by rickair7777
Here's a little insight...
If someone with checking authority (ie fed, DPE, check airman) deviates very far from the accepted script they've already decided that you're going to pass or that they're not going to veto you.
If someone fails (even a justified failure) when there were shenigans occurring or the event was off-script, that student now has ammo to make waves and nobody wants to deal with that.
When a checking event gets off track, I know I can relax...
If someone with checking authority (ie fed, DPE, check airman) deviates very far from the accepted script they've already decided that you're going to pass or that they're not going to veto you.
If someone fails (even a justified failure) when there were shenigans occurring or the event was off-script, that student now has ammo to make waves and nobody wants to deal with that.
When a checking event gets off track, I know I can relax...
A friend of mine recently took his ATP check ride and while in the weather was vectored below MSA but above MVA. His examiner didn't say anything, but busted him for going below MSA. Here's a case where everything appeared to be normal, and IMO everything proceeded normally, and the examinee still busted the ride. As a side note, he is appealing which I'm sure is just a mountain of happy-happy-fun-time.
As a side note, who plssed in that examiner's corn flakes that morning? I've been vectored below MSA many times on approach, assuming you're at/above MVA it is 100% safe and legal. Then again, in Turkey I was also vectored below MSA into a mountain but fortunately I had SA and am here to type about it, but we're also talking apples and oranges of US vs. 3rd world controllers.
10-23-2014, 09:13 AM
#25
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2013
Posts: 10,061
Originally Posted by MikeF16
Usually the case but not always. Story is 2nd hand so details might not be exact but the point remains.
A friend of mine recently took his ATP check ride and while in the weather was vectored below MSA but above MVA. His examiner didn't say anything, but busted him for going below MSA. Here's a case where everything appeared to be normal, and IMO everything proceeded normally, and the examinee still busted the ride. As a side note, he is appealing which I'm sure is just a mountain of happy-happy-fun-time.
As a side note, who plssed in that examiner's corn flakes that morning? I've been vectored below MSA many times on approach, assuming you're at/above MVA it is 100% safe and legal. Then again, in Turkey I was also vectored below MSA into a mountain but fortunately I had SA and am here to type about it, but we're also talking apples and oranges of US vs. 3rd world controllers.
A friend of mine recently took his ATP check ride and while in the weather was vectored below MSA but above MVA. His examiner didn't say anything, but busted him for going below MSA. Here's a case where everything appeared to be normal, and IMO everything proceeded normally, and the examinee still busted the ride. As a side note, he is appealing which I'm sure is just a mountain of happy-happy-fun-time.
As a side note, who plssed in that examiner's corn flakes that morning? I've been vectored below MSA many times on approach, assuming you're at/above MVA it is 100% safe and legal. Then again, in Turkey I was also vectored below MSA into a mountain but fortunately I had SA and am here to type about it, but we're also talking apples and oranges of US vs. 3rd world controllers.
If he was failed for that, he can appeal and will definitely win.
10-23-2014, 09:34 AM
#26
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Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: 767A (Ret)
Posts: 6,248
Originally Posted by prwest
I get halfway around a hold on my instrument check ride and the DPE says, "Don't touch the elevator, I want you to complete the hold using rudder, trim and power."
At that point I assumed I passed, and he got a little bored...
At that point I assumed I passed, and he got a little bored...
10-23-2014, 09:54 AM
#27
Otto
Joined APC: Jul 2013
Position: Turkish Pile Driver
Posts: 1,806
Originally Posted by CBreezy
Something else must've happened as there is nothing in PTS regarding MSA. If ATC is vectoring you, altitude is completely their perogative.
If he was failed for that, he can appeal and will definitely win.
If he was failed for that, he can appeal and will definitely win.
Overseas I wouldn't go below MSA because who the heck knows the skill level of your controller. In the USA I don't even think twice about descending to an altitude issued by ATC.
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