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Old 04-15-2007, 09:25 PM   #1 (permalink)
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So anyone know appx what Air China pays FOs and Capts in USD or Yuan??? In particular, on the future 787 deliveries. I've heard it's less than a US regional in USD, but pretty good considering the cost of living in China, etc. Pretty sure you gotta sign a 5 year contract, but just looking for any pay data.
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Old 04-15-2007, 09:37 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Hmmmm....Less pay than an RJ to fly a 747 in china and live there? I'll take mesa.
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The currency in China is actually referred to as RMB not Yuan
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The currency in China is actually referred to as RMB not Yuan
Since you're striving for accuracy, the basic unit of Renminbi or "People's Money" is yuan. So the previous poster's useage is, in fact, accurate.

I do, however, wonder if he means China Airlines of Taiwan or Air China of China? China Airlines does hire foreign first officers. To the best of my knowledge Air China does not.

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Air China do hire expat FO on the cargo fleet and and pay is around USD 6500/mos for a B747-400F.
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Since you're striving for accuracy, the basic unit of Renminbi or "People's Money" is yuan. So the previous poster's useage is, in fact, accurate.
Actually, even the locals refer to it as RMB. And by locals I mean Chinese and gweilos. And I can tell you trying to do the conversion by the factor of 8 can be difficult when drinking. Next time your in SZX, I'll buy you a drink.

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actually...I'm not necessarily looking at the traditional cargo FO positions.

what I'm looking at is a CFI position at a school in California contracted to do cadet training for Air China cadets. when they first started hiring, they were supposedly offering Air China FO contracts to US flight instructors subsequent to 1) completing 2 10-month contracts, 2) accruing 2000 hours instruction at the school (they train very very heavily), and 3) sign a 5 year contract with Air China. The supposed upgrade time upon joining AC as an FO is 18 months. All of this, of course, is assuming you're still alive at the end of 20 months of instructing non-native English speakers.

Though it would be a sacrifice to say the least (esp in light of the regionals hiring in the US), I know this is something I could tough out and end up going on to Cathay, Emirates, etc, after 5 years at Air China.

And to the poster who suggested something about working for Mesa instead--you can't honestly compare 20 months of instructing + 5 years of low-pay 787 time flying int'l routes out of China to working at Mesa.
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So anyone know appx what Air China pays FOs and Capts in USD or Yuan??? In particular, on the future 787 deliveries. I've heard it's less than a US regional in USD, but pretty good considering the cost of living in China, etc. Pretty sure you gotta sign a 5 year contract, but just looking for any pay data.
Uh, huh? Less than the regionals USD. I got it.

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And to the poster who suggested something about working for Mesa instead--you can't honestly compare 20 months of instructing + 5 years of low-pay 787 time flying int'l routes out of China to working at Mesa.
Getting paid less than the RJ's to fly 787's Int'l on a five year contract? I don't care what country your flying out of, if it pays less than the regionals, especially on a 787, then yes I would take a lousy domestic regional over that! I'd rather stay close to home getting paid "RJ pay" than go to China, fly 787's internationally and get paid less than the RJ's. BTW, I wasn't comparing, I was stating my personal choice: Mesa over Int'l 787 with sub-RJ pay. I just personally wouldn't go for the Air China thing.
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I fly to PVG and call it the yuan, along with the rest of our boys and girls. I think it came from the people at and around the hotel. I actually started with RMB but none of the guys knew what I was talking about. Must be different in different areas.
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Oh yea, the pay for heavies will never be less than, or even close to less than US RJ pay for expats. Even Shanghai Air pays pretty well on the 757; and, it's a 757. If you are getting a job on a 787, even if the starting pay is realatively low compared to FedEx, you won't be on it for long and you will be set up for life. If you are new to the industry all the better; you'll be getting a type rating and job on the most popular airplane out there. You'll have a long term advantage with job security, longevity and choice.

It sounds like a pretty good deal mate.
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