SiouxCFI

I have looked for this answer both on this site and the other... I can not find out what the competitive times for the CX DESO program are currently at. Currently flying the SF3 and was wondering if a person would need PIC time before applying for the SO position. If not, how much right seat time would be competitive? Thanks in advance.

4everFO

The recruiting people do not let much information out and the flight times and back rounds of hired S/Os are all over the board. Just apply and find out.

Do you research before committing to a job with CX.

FO

KoruPilot

A mate of mine down here was just given a start date. He has command time on the C208 and a bit of time on the Do228. Probably around the 2500 hour mark. I have also had friends go there as SO's from the left seat of TP's with around 3000 to 3500 hours.

Good advice from 4everFO mate. . .sounds pretty reasonable to me.

nicholasblonde

Additionally, you might as well go ahead and apply now for this reason--people have been asked in that interview why they didn't apply to Cx sooner!!! There are a few people out there who wanted to be Cx pilots before they even finished flight training, and having a resume on file and updating it every 6 months is the type of stuff that Cx (and many majors) view favorably.

tyrael37

What do DEFO / DESO mean? If you were to apply as you as nicholasblonde said above, there would be no reason to do it anyway until you met all the minimums right? I can't tell if the 1000 hours is PIC or not. It just said:

# An ICAO Airline Transport Pilot's License (ATPL) (obtained without exemptions) or ICAO Commercial Pilot's License (CPL) (obtained without exemptions) with passes in all ATPL ground examinations
# A Valid Multi-Engine Instrument Rating
# A minimum of 1000 hours fixed wing (preference will be given to applicants with turbine or multi-engine experience)

So what is it? How do you know if you have an ICAO CPL? I'm flying an RJ right now but its FAA. Can someone elaborate a little bit please.

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SiouxCFI

tyrael37,

I've looked at it a little so far and have come across this:

"In some cases, foreign airlines will not accept a FAA ATP when they require an ICAO ATPL. In other cases they will accept FAA certificates.
There is no actual certificate that says ICAO on it. The ICAO is the FAA, JAA, T.C., CAA and so on agreeing on certain regulations. Your FAA ATP is an ICAO ATPL if you meet the above criteria. You cannot get an ICAO certificate. You cannot buy one. You can meet the requirements agreed upon in the ICAO, and hold (any country that is included in the ICAO) an ATP(L). The US FAA in part of the ICAO. If you have 1500 TT inclusive of only 50% SIC, and have 250 PIC, actual PIC as defined above, then you DO hold an ICAO ATPL. "
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To the job posting... it doesn't say if the time is PIC or Total time, I think it is flexible.

tyrael37

Thanks for your reply SiouxCFI. So I guess since the SO mins say ICAO CPL, then it means that if you hold a FAA CPL, then go right ahead? :-) Too good to be true unless they are hurting just as bad.

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SiouxCFI

Well as long as you have the 1500 hrs total time and meet all the ATP requirements then you should be good to go.

tyrael37

http://www.gleim.com/aviation/airlin...rt/atpreqs.php

Well, there are the exact details of what an ATP is.

Looks like item c (below) is what I've been hearing about conerning the regional FOs going abroad.

You may be issued an ATP certificate with the endorsement "Holder does not meet the pilot in command aeronautical experience requirements of ICAO," if you
Credit SIC or flight-engineer time toward the 1,500 hr. total flight time requirement
Do not have at least 1,200 hr. of flight time as a pilot, including no more than 50% of your SIC time and none of your flight-engineer time
Otherwise meet the aeronautical experience requirements
NOTE: The endorsement described in item c. above will be removed when you present satisfactory evidence of the accumulation of 1,200 hr. flight time as a pilot including no more than 50% of your SIC time and none of your flight-engineer time.

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4everFO

There is no such thing as an ICAO ATPL or CPL....countries are signatories of the ICAO convention. If you have an ATP or CPL from a country that is a signatory of ICAO then you qualify.

Not meeting the minimums may mean that you do not get a call, but it sure as he!! shows interest. Just put in the application already!!

FO