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Pay for DECs in India and China have declined by as much as 30 percent over the past two years.
Not quite sure what airlines you referring to but all the one I have been following have been going up in pay to attract candidates. Now the pay has stopped climbing in the recent months due to all the furloughs.
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Pay for DECs in India are well below the $10,000 mark as compared to 3 years ago when they were well above the $12,000. TRE pay was about$1,500 a month more. T&Cs, inluding accomodations, travel, and per diem were much better too.
EuroLot and LOT are both hiring, but I am sure eventually like with anything else this will come to a hault. As far as when and how shorthanded they are I don't know.
no. i do not work for an airline. just been teaching people how to fly. I do teach a lot of Indian students and they say that it is becoming harder for them to get a job in India as well. I guess the market is slowing down everywhere.
I honestly do not know how shorthanded they are in Poland but I have heard from few people who fly there that the market is still expanding so that's why Im considering the conversion and an airline job in Europe. I mean, last thing I need right now is to quit my job, move to Europe, study my a$$ off for few months, get the conversion, and not have a job.
no. i do not work for an airline. just been teaching people how to fly. I do teach a lot of Indian students and they say that it is becoming harder for them to get a job in India as well. I guess the market is slowing down everywhere.
I honestly do not know how shorthanded they are in Poland but I have heard from few people who fly there that the market is still expanding so that's why Im considering the conversion and an airline job in Europe. I mean, last thing I need right now is to quit my job, move to Europe, study my a$$ off for few months, get the conversion, and not have a job.
Polish,
I've been here in Europe flying for 3 years. It's getting worse by the day. I wouldn't quite your day job to come back here. There may not be too many jobs no matter what your quals and citizenship are. Predictions are that the market will soon be flooded with well qualified 737 and bus guys. Suggest reading the tea leaves well before making an move...
New to the forum but I am also looking in to the conversion. After contacting the German FAA I was told that once the 14 exams are done you can explore the anenue of trying to get hired with a commercial operator in the EU and their gnd school, sim training IOE and checkride will satisfy the requirement for the flight training and checkride. Any one else heard of this??
Yes, if you have the experience you can do your "checkride" in a level D approved sim by the country of authority. Unless you have experience a company is looking for that would benefit them financially, I doubt an airline would want to go through this process. This being said, it's a matter of talking to the right person.
I have a few friends working in Europe from Ryan Air all the way to Turkish Airlines (sorry Olympic ). What we have seen already happening here is slowly starting to appear there. I guess we will see in the true colors of this industry in the coming months.
I've been here in Europe flying for 3 years. It's getting worse by the day. I wouldn't quite your day job to come back here. There may not be too many jobs no matter what your quals and citizenship are. Predictions are that the market will soon be flooded with well qualified 737 and bus guys. Suggest reading the tea leaves well before making an move...
you know, youre absolutely right, more and more pilots are available who have been flying 737s or 320s or whatever.....its very unfortunate for young pilots, like me, who are trying to do whatever we can to get an airline job. well...i dont want to sound like i would fly a 737 for free just to save a company some money....but i think everyone gets my point. unfortunately this industry is going through some major problems, when it does improve, and i hope its when and not IF, we'll be very fortunate to have great jobs. Right now in Europe, you're saying its starting to get worse by the day. And I have no doubts in that, but Im pretty sure I can still get a job there, faster than i can in the US. but then again I'll settle for teaching indian students how to fly. It "almost" pays the bills.
New to the forum but I am also looking in to the conversion. After contacting the German FAA I was told that once the 14 exams are done you can explore the anenue of trying to get hired with a commercial operator in the EU and their gnd school, sim training IOE and checkride will satisfy the requirement for the flight training and checkride. Any one else heard of this??
I would doubt that this is possible unless your father is the CEO of the airline.
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There are airlines in the EU that will put you into an OCC program; ie reduced training, provided;
You are current qualified with 500 PIC on type; The EU is type specific. the 737-100/200 won't qualify for EFIS/glass or NG qualification.
Able to pass the JAR medical;
Qualify for a work visa in the country where the airline, or contracting agency is domiciled – an immigration attorney can be helpful;
Pass the Air Law and Air Ops written exams applicable to the country where the airline is based;
Be prepared, however, to pay for your own accommodations during training as generally no pay until line training has either commenced or has been completed.
As the training is self study with the exception of certain general subjects, no cost is incurred by the airline. There is however, a modest amount reduced from your monthly pay to take care of the amortization of the initial and recurrent training. This will vary from airline as well as contractor.
Total time from day one in the class room to the line check ride runs between 1 and 1/2 months to 2 months.
Ring up various contracting agencies for details applicable to the airlines they represent.
no. i do not work for an airline. just been teaching people how to fly. I do teach a lot of Indian students and they say that it is becoming harder for them to get a job in India as well. I guess the market is slowing down everywhere.
I honestly do not know how shorthanded they are in Poland but I have heard from few people who fly there that the market is still expanding so that's why Im considering the conversion and an airline job in Europe. I mean, last thing I need right now is to quit my job, move to Europe, study my a$$ off for few months, get the conversion, and not have a job.
Yea thats what the word is that things are slowing. I guess we will see how they will contninue to turn out. Its a difficult position to be in leaving a job here, for a job elsewhere that you do not know if you will get. That is why it is important not to burn any bridges behind you.
I am not aware of the numbers of how shorthanded the likes of LOT and subsidaries are, but there are many older pilots flying for LOT, who will soon be retiring within the comming years. Hopefully there is a lot of them. I guess time will tell... because to be completly honest... I don't want to stay here any longer then I have too, and that doesnt have anything to do with the airline industries in either countries.
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). What we have seen already happening here is slowly starting to appear there. I guess we will see in the true colors of this industry in the coming months.
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