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1) At what point in the process does one have to sign the agreement to pay $1500 if they do not accept the job?
2) Where is your company, more specifically, the company to which the contract is signed domiciled?
3) In regards to question 2 above, if the company is U.S. domiciled what do you provide your contract pilots in terms of income statements? I.E. do you give W-2, 1099, or something else?
4) What standard of hotel is written in the contract for pilots when they are in India?
Typhoonpilot
Hello, I would be pleased to answer any questions.
1) At the application stage, we ask the applicant to sign a Commitment Declaration and Application Bond. This simply states that once approved by Air India and the paperwork goes to the DGCA, that the applicant agrees to follow through with the complete hiring process. This is not to say that the applicant has to pay anything up front. Many times, applicants apply to us and to many other companies, which is completely understandable. However, we put a lot of effort, time and money into the entire process, far more than $1,500, and this is just one of those tools that allows us to filter out the curiosity seekers versus the applicants serious about flying with Air India. At the very beginning, we offer a copy of the contract and even cover everything on our website. My recruitors are available at any time to answer questions and at every stage we remain in constant contact to keep the applicant informed. It takes approx. 45 to 60 days to go through the whole process. There is no risk to the applicant to apply to Air India, the applicant has every chance to review and consider the terms and conditions before Air India approves them (2-3 weeks). Only after Air India's approval and thier submission to the DGCA do we enforce the $1,500 bond.
2)Next Generation Aviation Recruitors is a Limited Liability Corporation registered in the State of Florida and headquarted at 5950 Lakehurst Drive, Suite 177, Orlando, Florida, 32819. We have an office in London, England where the Managing Director lives and is an Indian National.
3)The Pilot will be a contractor, not an employee, of Next Generation. Therefore will be issued a 1099.
4) While in India, Air India arranges and pays for all hotel accommodations, including breakfast. Breakfast is a big think in India. Pilots stay at 4-5 Star Hotels while in India, always! I stayed in India myself in October of 07 for two weeks and at 6 different hotels. The rooms are like a nice Holiday Inn, but the Hotels themselves have grand lobbies. There is usually a doorman to open the door, someone is always offering you a glass of juice or water as hospitality and there are good resturants and even some have bars to sit and watch Cricket. The staff is the most friendly and hospitable that I have ever experienced anywhere in the world. In fact, I fell in love with the people in India, rich and poor, and will be returning again.
This is an example and the hotel that I stayed at:
* The big one: LCC pay all Indian taxes! 33% of whatever you make monthy. B747-400 Captains are subcontractors based in the USA and paid by a USA company, therefore you will pay only USA Taxes as a contractor.
(Looks like double taxation to me.)
Boeing 747-400 Pay Scale Table
Line Captain Check Captain TRI TRE
$6,500 $6,700 $6,950 $7,250
(Your kidding me with these pay scales, right?)
I love the fact this guy calls himself Capt. SPEIGNER
DOI: 3/17/2005
Certificate: COMMERCIAL PILOT
Rating(s):
COMMERCIAL PILOT
AIRPLANE MULTIENGINE LAND
INSTRUMENT AIRPLANE
PRIVATE PRIVILEGES
AIRPLANE SINGLE ENGINE LAND
Medical Class: Second Medical Date: 12/2007
1) B747 Captains only pay US Taxes, Not Indian Taxes. The quote from the website says it is a B737NG example where the Captains lives and works in India.
2) As a recruitment company, we have no control over the pay scale that Air India sets for its contracts. Please do not take it out on us. I understand and agree that the pay scale for B747-400 is too low, but there is little that we can do about it. We do get many pilots interested that are more interested in the job than the pay.
3) Yes, I am referred to as Captain by my staff and officers of the company. In fact, the title name comes from Naval traditions (I have 8 years US Military) and refers to my position in the company, my leadership skills and not a seat in the cockpit. I was stripped of the chance at an airline career after 911. After spending the life savings of myself and my wife for basic and advanced training, I had my interview at American Eagle on Sept. 17th, 2001. Needless to say, I did not get a chance to attend that interview. At no point do I ever claim to be an ATP and for you to assume different, go through the trouble of searching my airman's records and insinuate that I was claiming otherwise is unprofessional on your part.
I have nothing to hide, so if you are bitter, email me directly and do not vent or attack publicly. If this is YOUR leadership style, I would question your Captain Qualifications in the true sense of the title. Basic leadership 101.
HHHMMM...very different stories concerning the same experience. Perception is a funny thing. Have one question though. What promises were not kept that were not in writing? Kind of suggests to me that there was some misunderstanding since Capt Michael made the point.
There were never any promises made in writing that were not kept. I invite this Captain to produce evidence to the contrary. Common sense is how could any airline in the world promise job in writing and never have see the pilot perform?
Medical Insurance:
Obtaining the medical insurance policy shall be the Captain’s own responsibility.
A monthly additional payment of US $100 (USD One Hundred only) shall be paid to the Captain towards the medical insurance premium.
WOW!
In India, $100 is more than enough for complete medical coverage. I will be posting links to companies that can provide health, life and dental insurance while in India in the next week or so.
I just returned from India with a screening at Jet Airways and an interview with Air India Express.
I contacted a number of recruiters offering jobs with Air India Express and found contract differences between agencies. Air India offers all the recruiters the same contract. The majority of contracts offer $9400 per month on the B-737NG. Air India does not have any penalties in the contract for refusing to accept employment. If you resign they require 35 days notice with no penalties.
I called Next Gen. and talked with a recruiter. He made a number of statements regarding other recruiters contracts that I found to be totally false and misleading. Next Gen offers much less pay for the same job. They also offer guaranteed employment but do they have the capital resources to back up the guarantee if Air India fails to pay them for your services? None of the contracting agencies will pay you if the airline fails to pay the agency.
I also stayed at the Park Plaza Royal Palms while in the screening process. This hotel is a dump. Air India keeps their pilots at this hotel for training which takes about a month.
Bottom line is if you want to live and work in India you will be better off going to Jet Airways. You will be employed by Jet directly on contract and stay in better hotels and work for a well respected airline. Unfortunately Jet is not hiring 777 DEC's at this time only B737NG Captains. The screening process is a 20 minute simulator check with an engine failure and visual pattern to a landing.
If anyone wants more information on either carrier I will be glad to try and help you out.
3) Yes, I am referred to as Captain by my staff and officers of the company. In fact, the title name comes from Naval traditions (I have 8 years US Military) and refers to my position in the company, my leadership skills and not a seat in the cockpit. I was stripped of the chance at an airline career after 911. After spending the life savings of myself and my wife for basic and advanced training, I had my interview at American Eagle on Sept. 17th, 2001. Needless to say, I did not get a chance to attend that interview. At no point do I ever claim to be an ATP
No but title Captain along with the picture of you in an airline uniform complete with 4 stripe epaulettes borders on false advertising then. Plus, why does not having the interview at Eagle immediately after 9/11 put a dagger in your flying career? LOTS of regionals were spooling up hiring just a few months later.
In India, $100 is more than enough for complete medical coverage. I will be posting links to companies that can provide health, life and dental insurance while in India in the next week or so.
With your medical certificate (and livelihood as a professional pilot) on the line--not to mention your family's well-being--would you utilize a third-world country's medical infrastructure as you urge others to do?
Wait, you're not a professional pilot. I suspect you were not a military pilot, either.
I'd be embarrassed and ashamed to let folks who are trusting your professionalism to stay at a hotel such as the one described by multiple posters. At least warn them what to expect. And then you have the audacity to tout your wonderful leadership "skills?" More like wonderful money-grubbing skills.
This aviation community is surprisingly small. Word of mouth will catch up to you soon enough, "Captain."
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3) Yes, I am referred to as Captain by my staff and officers of the company. In fact, the title name comes from Naval traditions (I have 8 years US Military) and refers to my position in the company, my leadership skills and not a seat in the cockpit. I was stripped of the chance at an airline career after 911. After spending the life savings of myself and my wife for basic and advanced training, I had my interview at American Eagle on Sept. 17th, 2001. Needless to say, I did not get a chance to attend that interview. At no point do I ever claim to be an ATP and for you to assume different, go through the trouble of searching my airman's records and insinuate that I was claiming otherwise is unprofessional on your part.
Sounds like an KORL ATA alumnus? That might explain where you got the mistaken perception that it would be OK to call yourself a captain.
In the airline world, a captain is someone who has actually served as PIC of a 121 aircraft...technically that might include a small turboprop, but in the circles you travel the implication is that you were CA on a narrowbody or better. Trust me, your use of the title will generate resentment and suspicion amongst real airline professionals when they learn the truth...maybe not the best approach in your line of work.
As for the military background...
Post military, only retired O-5 and above are entitled to use their military rank in the civilian world (and then with limitations)... only a navy/uscg O-6 would qualify to use the Captain title, and that would involve more like 28 years of service, rather than 8.
Eight years might have got you captain in the army/usmc/usaf...but that's an O-3 and NOT entitled to use the rank post-military service.
I just returned from India with a screening at Jet Airways and an interview with Air India Express.
I contacted a number of recruiters offering jobs with Air India Express and found contract differences between agencies. Air India offers all the recruiters the same contract. The majority of contracts offer $9400 per month on the B-737NG. Air India does not have any penalties in the contract for refusing to accept employment. If you resign they require 35 days notice with no penalties.
I called Next Gen. and talked with a recruiter. He made a number of statements regarding other recruiters contracts that I found to be totally false and misleading. Next Gen offers much less pay for the same job. They also offer guaranteed employment but do they have the capital resources to back up the guarantee if Air India fails to pay them for your services? None of the contracting agencies will pay you if the airline fails to pay the agency.
I also stayed at the Park Plaza Royal Palms while in the screening process. This hotel is a dump. Air India keeps their pilots at this hotel for training which takes about a month.
Bottom line is if you want to live and work in India you will be better off going to Jet Airways. You will be employed by Jet directly on contract and stay in better hotels and work for a well respected airline. Unfortunately Jet is not hiring 777 DEC's at this time only B737NG Captains. The screening process is a 20 minute simulator check with an engine failure and visual pattern to a landing.
If anyone wants more information on either carrier I will be glad to try and help you out.
Thank you Boomerang for verifying my statements regarding living and working conditions in India and treatment at Air India Express. With your post included in this thread, others will believe that I was being truthful. You are correct in stating that Jet Airways is a much better contract than Air India Express. For the record, Next Gen Aviation Recruiters told the truth about not breaking any promises IN WRITING. The broken promises of guaranteed employment and travel reimbursement were verbal. There is a lesson for me to learn... get all promises in writing. I have nothing to gain by fabricating this blog. I was promised guaranteed employment, and I was promised reimbursement for travel. I did not recieve either from Next Gen. They state in a previous blog in this thread, that I was reimbursed for my travel. Well, produce the cancelled check, because I never got it. In addition, after being rejected for employment by Air India Express, the Next Gen office called me and left a message on my voicemail that I WAS HIRED at Air India Express. I have saved this recording and can produce it upon request. My hopes were restored, I made plans to leave, I told everyone...etc. Then, to my dismay, I learned that Next Gen made a critical error, and called the wrong Captain. Can you imagine how that would feel if it happened to you? My experience was a nightmare and I only posted it on this blog to warn others, so it may spare them from repeating my mistake. I wish you all good luck in finding fair employment.
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