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Ive been looking around at some companies and was wondering about multi crew quals. I assume "Jet Multi Crew" refers to flights that require a second crew to fly. I just want to clarify. Also, whats a Frozen ATPL?
ARL
Last edited by ARL120384 : 11-10-2008 at 08:16 PM.
Multi crew means more than one driver, so your ERJ counts. It clarifies the difference between transport jet time and single pilot jet time, usually referring to the military types.
You mention 'second crew', so perhaps that clarifies as normally second crew, to me, refers to ultra long haul's legal requirement.
Frozen ATPL is something they have in the UK and the like. One can write ones exams well before having the requisite time requirements and thus, your ATPL licence is 'frozen'. Cooky isn't it.
Multi crew means more than one driver, so your ERJ counts. It clarifies the difference between transport jet time and single pilot jet time, usually referring to the military types.
You mention 'second crew', so perhaps that clarifies as normally second crew, to me, refers to ultra long haul's legal requirement.
Frozen ATPL is something they have in the UK and the like. One can write ones exams well before having the requisite time requirements and thus, your ATPL licence is 'frozen'. Cooky isn't it.
Good answer, but "write exams" is also a foreign expression to Americans. "Take the written tests" would be better understood. Not so cooky because in the USA you can take the ATP practical flight test before age 23 and get a letter to turn into the FSDO on your birthday and they'll type up your ATP certificate right then and there. Same idea with the "Frozen ATPL". You do all the required tests prior to meeting the time requirements then once you have the time you get the certificate, correct?
So for me with a full ATP, just not the written, for purposes of an application what would that be defined as? I know some overseas carriers have the ATPL of Frozen ATPL?
From what I've read most places over in Europe require their version of the ATP; unless it specifically states FAA certificate you would most likely have to convert all your ratings, I'm sure someone else can chime in on the details (or search for it on here, I think it's been discussed) but long story short it appears to be a lengthy and costly process. But again it can depend, and some places may accept FAA certs.
Well mate, I'm Canadian and I'm pretty sure my American friends understand me, but I'll call a few and check.
ARL, as long as the place you are applying to is not a JAR (European) operator then your FAA ATPL will do just fine; ignore the 'frozen' bit as it doesn't concern you. Be careful as there are a number of operators in N Africa that require a JAR licence. As far as Asia your FAA ticket is sweet.
I fly for a Chinese carrier and converted my Canadian ATPL without a problem. I have used the same licence to convert to Bahraini, Saudi Arabian, Panamanian, FAA and New Zealand. It's not as convoluted as one might think.
So for me with a full ATP, just not the written, for purposes of an application what would that be defined as? I know some overseas carriers have the ATPL of Frozen ATPL?
Thanks guys
ARL
It would be defined as having an FAA/ICAO ATP.
If that's what the application requires, your are fine. If it says JAR ATPL, etc, you would need to do the conversion.
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