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Old 02-25-2009, 03:08 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Old 02-25-2009, 04:20 PM   #12 (permalink)
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3 of them actually. Seemed to have been some sort of training flight.
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Looks like no fire, or it was extinguished fast.
I noticed this too, I wonder if the fuel tanks were dry?
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Old 02-25-2009, 10:09 PM   #14 (permalink)
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3 of them actually. Seemed to have been some sort of training flight.
A large Turkish population in Amsterdam... Could've been commuting home, some European airlines will let you 'jumpseat' on your own airline for a non-rev ticket fee...

Either way, my prayers go out to the entire crew and all their passengers...
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I noticed this too, I wonder if the fuel tanks were dry?
While flying to Bucharest last night we actually started talking about this, maybe they ran out of fuel.
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While flying to Bucharest last night we actually started talking about this, maybe they ran out of fuel.
That's the hot rumor, but right now it's too early to say. Maybe I'll eat my words later. They plopped down on good honest late winter European mud which mitigated the risk of ignition. I didn't hear of any extended delays that would have generated a problem. We'll see. The loss of life is, as always, regrettable.
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That's the hot rumor, but right now it's too early to say. Maybe I'll eat my words later. They plopped down on good honest late winter European mud which mitigated the risk of ignition. I didn't hear of any extended delays that would have generated a problem. We'll see. The loss of life is, as always, regrettable.
Im watching the Greek news right now and they have one survivor of Turkish decent getting interviewed. She is stating that she heard the pilot screaming something, then the aircraft pitched up and immediately pitched down. She says she thought it was a joke. 3 pilots in the cockpit, 2 captains and 1 First Officer I think. Turkish has had a lot of crashes, they have a lot of military pilots which is not good, as we all know Turkey is a Military State. So were talking about almost NO CRM within the crews sometimes.
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Im watching the Greek news right now and they have one survivor of Turkish decent getting interviewed. She is stating that she heard the pilot screaming something, then the aircraft pitched up and immediately pitched down. She says she thought it was a joke. 3 pilots in the cockpit, 2 captains and 1 First Officer I think. Turkish has had a lot of crashes, they have a lot of military pilots which is not good, as we all know Turkey is a Military State. So were talking about almost NO CRM within the crews sometimes.
I think there might be a bit of nationalistic generated bias here ...
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I think there might be a bit of nationalistic generated bias here ...
No not in any way, I visit Turkey 2-3 times a year and know a few pilots over at Turkish Airlines. The Military is a huge part of Turkey, and I am in no way exaggerating. I fly Turkish aswell, they are a huge company just from talking around the CRM can become non-existent in some cases when flying with the Military guys.
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Well, okay, we'll see ... but you're gonna get hammered on this beauty, too:


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