jsfBoat

I've got dual citizenship with Germany, and have heard that the upgrade time to the wide bodies isn't as long as compared with other airlines. What about some of the other German airlines; Air Berlin, LTU, Hapag-Lloyd, etc...?
Any americans, or americans with dual flying for them. My dad is a capt on a 135/145, i've asked him about this, but never got any clear answer other than "haven't meet many LH pilots."
Thanks on any info that can be sheed on this question.
-BOAT
"As a jewel"

mike734

I flew in Europe for 2 years on contract. I only learned a little about working for the majors over there. What I can say is to convert an American ATP to one accepted over there is very difficult and expensive. This is about to change however. The European Community (EC) is standardizing everything. The rumors are that it will be much easier to get a European ATP soon. (Soon could mean many years however). I would suggest writing all of the airlines over there and see what they say. There is a looming pilot shortage worldwide and it is getting worse. (Skyhigh, will disagree). Anyway, mostly this shortage is for current and qualified captains. That is why I was able to be hired directly as captain for short term contracts. My FOs commonly had only 500 hours. They were technically correct but inexperienced. They were not ready to be captains nor did they have the hours.

You will need to speak German probably and be young and be willing to learn all over again. The Europeans seem to thing flying is much harder than it is. Also, I hope you are anal. German pilots are. (sorry but some generalisations have some basis in fact)

Good luck.

georgetg

Na du frags, also bitteschön:

Formelle Eignung und Voraussetzungen für eine Bewerbung
Folgende Kriterien müssen Sie für eine Bewerbung als Ready Entry erfüllen. Bitte beachten Sie, dass einige Voraussetzungen je nach Konzern-Flugbetrieb unterschiedlich sind.

Lizenz
Für LH Passage, LH Cargo, Condor, Condor Berlin, Germanwings und LH CityLine:
europ. JAR ATPL(A) oder CPL(A)-IR, ATPL theory credit, MCC
(CPL(A)-IR, ATPL theory credit nur LH CityLine)

Flugstunden
Für die LH CityLine ist keine Mindestflugstundenzahl erforderlich
Für die LH Passage, Condor, Condor Berlin und Germanwings: 600 Stunden Flugerfahrung auf Jet-Aircraft/ Turboprop, davon 300 Stunden multiengine im Zwei-Mann-Cockpit in der kommerziellen Luftfahrt
Für die LH Cargo 1.000 Stunden Flugerfahrung auf Jet-Aircraft /Turboprop in der kommerziellen Luftfahrt

Schulabschluss
Für die LH Passage, LH Cargo, Condor, Condor Berlin und Germanwings: Allgemeine oder fachgebundene Hochschulreife (Fachhochschulreife reicht nicht aus)
Für die LH CityLine: Allgemeine oder fachgebundene Hochschulreife oder Fachhochschulreife

Alter
Für die LH Passage, LH Cargo, Condor, Condor Berlin und Germanwings: Höchstalter 32 Jahre + 364 Tage zum voraussichtlichen Datum des Arbeitsvertrages.
Für die LH CityLine: Höchstalter 35 Jahre + 364 Tage zum voraussichtlichen Datum des Arbeitsvertrages.

Größe
Für die LH Passage, LH Cargo, Condor, Condor Berlin und Germanwings: Körpergröße zwischen 1,65 und 1,95 m
Für die LH CityLine: Körpergröße zwischen 1,60 bis 2,10 m

Sonstiges
Deutsch und Englisch fließend in Wort und Schrift
Gutes Sehvermögen (+/-3 Dioptrien)
Abgeleisteter Wehr- oder Zivildienst bzw. Nachweis der Ausmusterung / Befreiung
Staatsangehörigkeit eines EU-Landes oder eine Aufenthaltsberechtigung oder eine unbefristete Aufenthaltserlaubnis für die Bundesrepublik Deutschland
Besitz eines uneingeschränkten Reisepasses
Medical Klasse 1 / Deutschland

weitere information hier:
http://www.lufthansa-pilot.de/

And if you had difficulty making it through the above sentences: forgettaboutit!

Cheers
George

fatlazypilot

can you get hired with an american associates degree? long time ago i heard that pilot's for LH regardless of cityline, cargo, or widebodies needed:

-4 year degree
-non-corrected 20/20 vision
-frankfurt/bremen graduate

Jakob

That has changed a bit. But I'm not sure about the american degree stuff... I think they are still pretty strict with that. They want the Abitur´you get at German schools. If you want me to, I can ask though. (As I said I live in Germany and know some LH Pilots)

fatlazypilot

man das wher richtig hammer von dier. See what the requiremts are regarding college and vision. im on lufthansa pheonix website right now requesting info. I send you a pm junge. thanks.

Jakob

I know some Lufthansa pilots and can ask some questions if you want me to. Go ahead and ask, I'll see what I can do for you. Air Berlind doesn't fly wide bodies and nor does Hapag-Lloyd. LTU flies A330 but I don't know to much about them. If you are fluent in German, I can recommend the forum on www.airliners.de It is German and there is some good info there, but as I said, you have to be able to speak German!

@mike734: What do you mean by "anal"? I'm sorry for asking this question but I am not as fluent with colloquial language as I should be, as I live in Germany. I know some very nice and friendly LH-Pilots!

EDIT: Georgetg, do you come from Germany or how come you can speak German?

captjns

No longer applicable. You need the education. Your vision can now be corrected. You don't have to start from one of the LH training academys any longer.

You do have to have the right to live in Germany. Work visas are not being issued to to US pilots.

jsfBoat

I'm only receiving my associates in Flight Technology, but my bachelors is in Civil Engineering. I guess this doesn't help, even though I have dual citizenship?
I'm going to send LH pilot recruitment a letter asking for any advice, if this is a good idea?

Short Bus Drive

"@mike734: What do you mean by "anal"? I'm sorry for asking this question but I am not as fluent with colloquial language as I should be, as I live in Germany. I know some very nice and friendly LH-Pilots!"

From Wikipedia:

The term anal-retentive (or anally retentive) is essentially a vulgarism. "Retentive" has been added to an original Freudian term "anal," implying that any person so described is so uptight they have difficulty defecating.

Common usage
This term is often used in reference to anybody seen as "nit-picking", overly worried about small details of form, style and etiquette, uptight or distressed over ordinarily minor problems, and unable to adopt a philosophical attitude toward mistakes.


P.S. If it makes you feel better, I have a friend in Germany, and she also had a hard time "translating" this term.