Working as a Pilot in China
02-07-2016, 04:34 PM
#191
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To wit, the following excerpt written by Duke taken from a discussion of QAR's in F.U.D. covers everything I wrote immediately above (latest responses to Dom's and Probe's good points) and should bear witness to the intent of this thread here at APForums:
F.U.D. Page 114
F.U.D. Page 114
The way QARs are treated (punishment if you bust one) is direct proof that China is the punitive and obedience centric culture I have been talking about all along and will continue pointing out and commenting on as we bump right along through my memory dump herein. Big mystery uncovered! There’s no chance this bell will/can ever be un-rung, so get it out of your head that maybe you could go over to China and be a positive influence for change. There is no way you will ever make a real difference in China (thus the inception for Captain H’s Rule #1 above that I scorn). You are there to fly an airplane, dodge bullets and get out when the time for gettin’ has arrived; you’ll know when that time has come. There is too much inertia behind this cultural MO being that it’s rooted in just over 5000 years of “That’s the way things are done in China.”
02-29-2016, 01:12 PM
#193
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quote -
"BAD POINTS ABOUT LIVING IN SHENZHEN AND OTHER PARTS OF CHINA
1. The OP never talked about driving in China that much. Let me be the one to tell you that these people are some if not the absolute worst drivers on the planet. Esp the female drivers. Its almost like they do not even know they are in a car. Never use blinkers but masters at using the horn.
2. People here generally are slow as hell. Esp the drivers. Pls name one Chinese F1 race car driver????
3. Accidents ala plenty. Totally moronic driving skills. There is a reason more chinese drive bicycles than cars, you can kill less people that way.
4. SZ is not really polluted but Beijing, Tianjin, other places are HORRIBLE. That stuff really scares me. Ironically sometimes there is no pollution in BJ. Esp when there is an important summit going on. The call it the APEC blue
5. Manners do not exist. Forget about people holding the door. Spitting here drives me nuts. Totally disgusting. The loud talking will drive you insane.The word courteous and considerate is nonexistant here.
6. Forget about manners while driving. Its insane the stuff i have seen.
7. China is getting expensive.
8. Be careful where and what you eat. You can get very ill. I would NEVER eat the food off the vendors in the street.
9. Police are VERY lazy here. Clowns with uniforms. But in some ways its much better than in America which IMHO is turning into a police state.
10. There are many fake things. Be careful as the liquor your drinking could be fake
11. Banking here is a complete headache. The OP was incorrect about sending money. As foreigners we can do as much as we want. There is NO LIMIT. However you must show your tax receipts from the company, your passport, your contract and as of 2015 your salary slip. I have sent 140,000 USD at one time back home and never a problem. But be prepared to spend atleast one hour. Also many times in China the lazy workers will pass the buck so you need to be forceful with what you want.
12. Noise. These people have no idea what volume control is. Take for example there walkie talkies, their ATMS, when they talk on the phone, the speaker in the cockpit, all have only 2 settings for these morons. OFF and LOUD
13. The people can be very annoying. There is a good joke. What is the difference between a racist and tourist in China? TWO WEEKS!!!"
And you wonder why Americans get a bad rep for being awful travelers? What did you expect? It's China. Of course things are different. Why do you have to compare everything?
"BAD POINTS ABOUT LIVING IN SHENZHEN AND OTHER PARTS OF CHINA
1. The OP never talked about driving in China that much. Let me be the one to tell you that these people are some if not the absolute worst drivers on the planet. Esp the female drivers. Its almost like they do not even know they are in a car. Never use blinkers but masters at using the horn.
2. People here generally are slow as hell. Esp the drivers. Pls name one Chinese F1 race car driver????
3. Accidents ala plenty. Totally moronic driving skills. There is a reason more chinese drive bicycles than cars, you can kill less people that way.
4. SZ is not really polluted but Beijing, Tianjin, other places are HORRIBLE. That stuff really scares me. Ironically sometimes there is no pollution in BJ. Esp when there is an important summit going on. The call it the APEC blue
5. Manners do not exist. Forget about people holding the door. Spitting here drives me nuts. Totally disgusting. The loud talking will drive you insane.The word courteous and considerate is nonexistant here.
6. Forget about manners while driving. Its insane the stuff i have seen.
7. China is getting expensive.
8. Be careful where and what you eat. You can get very ill. I would NEVER eat the food off the vendors in the street.
9. Police are VERY lazy here. Clowns with uniforms. But in some ways its much better than in America which IMHO is turning into a police state.
10. There are many fake things. Be careful as the liquor your drinking could be fake
11. Banking here is a complete headache. The OP was incorrect about sending money. As foreigners we can do as much as we want. There is NO LIMIT. However you must show your tax receipts from the company, your passport, your contract and as of 2015 your salary slip. I have sent 140,000 USD at one time back home and never a problem. But be prepared to spend atleast one hour. Also many times in China the lazy workers will pass the buck so you need to be forceful with what you want.
12. Noise. These people have no idea what volume control is. Take for example there walkie talkies, their ATMS, when they talk on the phone, the speaker in the cockpit, all have only 2 settings for these morons. OFF and LOUD
13. The people can be very annoying. There is a good joke. What is the difference between a racist and tourist in China? TWO WEEKS!!!"
And you wonder why Americans get a bad rep for being awful travelers? What did you expect? It's China. Of course things are different. Why do you have to compare everything?
02-29-2016, 03:11 PM
#194
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Originally Posted by turbopropulsion
quote -
"BAD POINTS ABOUT LIVING IN SHENZHEN AND OTHER PARTS OF CHINA
1. The OP never talked about driving in China that much. Let me be the one to tell you that these people are some if not the absolute worst drivers on the planet. Esp the female drivers. Its almost like they do not even know they are in a car. Never use blinkers but masters at using the horn.
2. People here generally are slow as hell. Esp the drivers. Pls name one Chinese F1 race car driver????
3. Accidents ala plenty. Totally moronic driving skills. There is a reason more chinese drive bicycles than cars, you can kill less people that way.
4. SZ is not really polluted but Beijing, Tianjin, other places are HORRIBLE. That stuff really scares me. Ironically sometimes there is no pollution in BJ. Esp when there is an important summit going on. The call it the APEC blue
5. Manners do not exist. Forget about people holding the door. Spitting here drives me nuts. Totally disgusting. The loud talking will drive you insane.The word courteous and considerate is nonexistant here.
6. Forget about manners while driving. Its insane the stuff i have seen.
7. China is getting expensive.
8. Be careful where and what you eat. You can get very ill. I would NEVER eat the food off the vendors in the street.
9. Police are VERY lazy here. Clowns with uniforms. But in some ways its much better than in America which IMHO is turning into a police state.
10. There are many fake things. Be careful as the liquor your drinking could be fake
11. Banking here is a complete headache. The OP was incorrect about sending money. As foreigners we can do as much as we want. There is NO LIMIT. However you must show your tax receipts from the company, your passport, your contract and as of 2015 your salary slip. I have sent 140,000 USD at one time back home and never a problem. But be prepared to spend atleast one hour. Also many times in China the lazy workers will pass the buck so you need to be forceful with what you want.
12. Noise. These people have no idea what volume control is. Take for example there walkie talkies, their ATMS, when they talk on the phone, the speaker in the cockpit, all have only 2 settings for these morons. OFF and LOUD
13. The people can be very annoying. There is a good joke. What is the difference between a racist and tourist in China? TWO WEEKS!!!"
And you wonder why Americans get a bad rep for being awful travelers? What did you expect? It's China. Of course things are different. Why do you have to compare everything?
"BAD POINTS ABOUT LIVING IN SHENZHEN AND OTHER PARTS OF CHINA
1. The OP never talked about driving in China that much. Let me be the one to tell you that these people are some if not the absolute worst drivers on the planet. Esp the female drivers. Its almost like they do not even know they are in a car. Never use blinkers but masters at using the horn.
2. People here generally are slow as hell. Esp the drivers. Pls name one Chinese F1 race car driver????
3. Accidents ala plenty. Totally moronic driving skills. There is a reason more chinese drive bicycles than cars, you can kill less people that way.
4. SZ is not really polluted but Beijing, Tianjin, other places are HORRIBLE. That stuff really scares me. Ironically sometimes there is no pollution in BJ. Esp when there is an important summit going on. The call it the APEC blue
5. Manners do not exist. Forget about people holding the door. Spitting here drives me nuts. Totally disgusting. The loud talking will drive you insane.The word courteous and considerate is nonexistant here.
6. Forget about manners while driving. Its insane the stuff i have seen.
7. China is getting expensive.
8. Be careful where and what you eat. You can get very ill. I would NEVER eat the food off the vendors in the street.
9. Police are VERY lazy here. Clowns with uniforms. But in some ways its much better than in America which IMHO is turning into a police state.
10. There are many fake things. Be careful as the liquor your drinking could be fake
11. Banking here is a complete headache. The OP was incorrect about sending money. As foreigners we can do as much as we want. There is NO LIMIT. However you must show your tax receipts from the company, your passport, your contract and as of 2015 your salary slip. I have sent 140,000 USD at one time back home and never a problem. But be prepared to spend atleast one hour. Also many times in China the lazy workers will pass the buck so you need to be forceful with what you want.
12. Noise. These people have no idea what volume control is. Take for example there walkie talkies, their ATMS, when they talk on the phone, the speaker in the cockpit, all have only 2 settings for these morons. OFF and LOUD
13. The people can be very annoying. There is a good joke. What is the difference between a racist and tourist in China? TWO WEEKS!!!"
And you wonder why Americans get a bad rep for being awful travelers? What did you expect? It's China. Of course things are different. Why do you have to compare everything?
03-01-2016, 03:22 AM
#196
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Originally Posted by turbopropulsion
quote - "BAD POINTS ABOUT LIVING IN SHENZHEN AND OTHER PARTS OF CHINA 1. The OP never talked about driving in China that much. Let me be the one to tell you that these people are some if not the absolute worst drivers on the planet. Esp the female drivers. Its almost like they do not even know they are in a car. Never use blinkers but masters at using the horn. 2. People here generally are slow as hell. Esp the drivers. Pls name one Chinese F1 race car driver???? 3. Accidents ala plenty. Totally moronic driving skills. There is a reason more chinese drive bicycles than cars, you can kill less people that way. 4. SZ is not really polluted but Beijing, Tianjin, other places are HORRIBLE. That stuff really scares me. Ironically sometimes there is no pollution in BJ. Esp when there is an important summit going on. The call it the APEC blue 5. Manners do not exist. Forget about people holding the door. Spitting here drives me nuts. Totally disgusting. The loud talking will drive you insane.The word courteous and considerate is nonexistant here. 6. Forget about manners while driving. Its insane the stuff i have seen. 7. China is getting expensive. 8. Be careful where and what you eat. You can get very ill. I would NEVER eat the food off the vendors in the street. 9. Police are VERY lazy here. Clowns with uniforms. But in some ways its much better than in America which IMHO is turning into a police state. 10. There are many fake things. Be careful as the liquor your drinking could be fake 11. Banking here is a complete headache. The OP was incorrect about sending money. As foreigners we can do as much as we want. There is NO LIMIT. However you must show your tax receipts from the company, your passport, your contract and as of 2015 your salary slip. I have sent 140,000 USD at one time back home and never a problem. But be prepared to spend atleast one hour. Also many times in China the lazy workers will pass the buck so you need to be forceful with what you want. 12. Noise. These people have no idea what volume control is. Take for example there walkie talkies, their ATMS, when they talk on the phone, the speaker in the cockpit, all have only 2 settings for these morons. OFF and LOUD 13. The people can be very annoying. There is a good joke. What is the difference between a racist and tourist in China? TWO WEEKS!!!" And you wonder why Americans get a bad rep for being awful travelers? What did you expect? It's China. Of course things are different. Why do you have to compare everything?
05-29-2016, 12:29 PM
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Duke checking in here at FL340, smooth ride.
I wanted to respond to someone who was mentioning something about racism in our approach a while back, and I'll leave the names out to be polite. Anyhow, The Dominican was saying something about us being racists because of this and that; while our operative at the time did a good job refuting his claims, I wanted to chime in with the following video that ought to speak for itself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoWltMDoBT0
Don't say we didn't tell ya so, but we told ya so.
I wanted to respond to someone who was mentioning something about racism in our approach a while back, and I'll leave the names out to be polite. Anyhow, The Dominican was saying something about us being racists because of this and that; while our operative at the time did a good job refuting his claims, I wanted to chime in with the following video that ought to speak for itself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoWltMDoBT0
Don't say we didn't tell ya so, but we told ya so.
05-29-2016, 12:42 PM
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Now, I would like to add some quick comments for Mr. turbopropulsion; firstly, thank you for checking in and offering your comments. We encourage everyone to add their two cents here, whether they agree with us or disagree.
You see, It's really important to get both sides of the fence (as it were) to offer potential expats balanced INFORMATION before they make their leap into contract work. THIS is the reason for the book F.U.D. and the reason for this thread: INFORMATION. It may be positive information, or it may not be positive. I won't tolerate sunshine. Keep it real, and it looks like you have. But, here's the problem:
You didn't read the book, sir. This is a prerequisite before posting in my thread. Please rewind to the first page and download you some .pdf file for reading tonight before beadie-bye from the zippy link. Then come back if you want and comment all you like! The OP HAS talked plenty about driving in China, and you will see it all in the opener to the book.
BTW, F.U.D. stands for Flying Upside Down. Some have had trouble with that for some reason...
Happy trails folks, thanks for reading the book and thread, and have safe adventures wherever it is you bore holes in the sky!
~~DUKE~~
You see, It's really important to get both sides of the fence (as it were) to offer potential expats balanced INFORMATION before they make their leap into contract work. THIS is the reason for the book F.U.D. and the reason for this thread: INFORMATION. It may be positive information, or it may not be positive. I won't tolerate sunshine. Keep it real, and it looks like you have. But, here's the problem:
Originally Posted by turbopropulsion
quote -
1. The OP never talked about driving in China that much. Let me be the one to tell you...
1. The OP never talked about driving in China that much. Let me be the one to tell you...
BTW, F.U.D. stands for Flying Upside Down. Some have had trouble with that for some reason...
Happy trails folks, thanks for reading the book and thread, and have safe adventures wherever it is you bore holes in the sky!
~~DUKE~~
05-31-2016, 02:12 AM
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I know a guy who flies smaller jets and lives in Shenzhen. He really likes it a lot, and has moved their permanently. He married a Chinese girl.
The top pay is at least base of $30K/month.
I would consider China, but I'm over 50, and passing the physical sounds very, very dicey, so I didn't apply.
The Pilot Shortage is only going to get worse over the next few years, so the pay and conditions can only go up...
The top pay is at least base of $30K/month.
I would consider China, but I'm over 50, and passing the physical sounds very, very dicey, so I didn't apply.
The Pilot Shortage is only going to get worse over the next few years, so the pay and conditions can only go up...
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