Toonces

If you are worried about the training contract, don't even apply. It's a crapshoot if they will come after you for it. It's up to you if you want to worry for the rest of your life over a few thousand dollars. No one likes it, it's here to stay, probably one of the few negatives about the company.

You will fly between 450 and 800 hrs per year.


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underwing

For current pilots... I was given a form to fill out regarding crew meal requests. What is the best way to fill this out? I'm not really sure what to write down since there are no selections to choose from.

Toonces

This is for your "on file" request. It's used for when you have a reroute or reschedule and they need to know what will pass muster with your delicate tastebuds. Pick whatever, make it simple, something any catering company could reasonably produce. I.e. Chicken Caesar salad.


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KaizerShizer

here's how I look at it: say you were hired prior to December 2015, when this company started tagging on an extra $10K and 12 month indentured servitude commitment for PS pilots seeking to 'upgrade' (GET A RAISE), I would perceive (albeit with a nascent legal eyeball) that an initial hire 18 month contract should be considered null in court ...

lemme try and splain' right quick: you sign on for whatever the cost was for an initial hire agreement assuming you either have the time/qualifications required to upgrade (PAY RAISE) at that time OR you will get it within an 18month timeframe. right? OK? ... so along comes this new agreement which for all intents and purposes further limits your earning potential for another year (this, with the assumption that other companies starting F/O pay for similarly qualified candidates are paid equal to - if not more than 1st/2nd year Captains at PS) - and now you've been in a contract assuming in which after 18months you are unbound to go make some more $$$ somewhere else or keep on slugging it out at PS, but instead get locked into another year (potentially) missing out on other higher paying opportunities (or whatever the case may be) that better suit your resume' ...

HOWEVER, if you got hired after December 2015 - you should have known full well that there is a double-dose of "training-contracts" at PS and should you bail-out on either, you'd be on the hook. I'm not justifying what they are doing regarding the "upgrade" (PAY RAISE) agreement because in my opinion whatever cost it takes on the end of PS to fill the seat is just the cost of doing business to fulfill the reg until the music stops again.

nothing is perfect, if you go to work at PS or have been there <18months, you just gotta make it work for you.

Toonces

Well like I said before, we don't like it, it's here to stay. Further market forces beyond what already exists would have to change it.

As far as the double contract, they are concurrent. In a best case scenario, you arrive with upgrade minimums, do a few months in the right seat and then upgrade. Your upgrade contract could expire before your new hire one does.

Like I've said, if you don't like it, don't apply. Those would be the market forces at work to change the policy. If you don't mind a contract, this is a fine place to fly airplanes.


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underwing

From a business perspective, having an employment agreement makes sense for the company. I certainly wouldn't want to invest in a marketable training certificate for an employee only to have that employee jump ship after completing the training. Why would any company fly you around the country, pay for your hotels, pay for your shinny new PC-12 cert, pay you money and then have you ride off to greener pastures? It seems to me that the only people who would throw a fit about an employment agreement are those who don't intend to be there long anyway.

PICsf340

Really? You don't think a company should train you for the job? Especially a place like planesense that is "training" a right seat pilot in a single pilot aircraft? Training is a cost of doing business.

underwing

I believe the training is an investment. Not that I paticularly want to sign a contract, but I understand their desire to protect their investment.

USMCFLYR

None of the business-minded people (pilots) that we have on the forum would do any different if I was their business I imagine.

Training contracts are easy.
You know about them going in and make your decision.
Accept the job and the responsibility that comes with it or don't.

Sailaway

Agree with the Marine. This contract is not pay for your training. It is about getting a certain amount of return for the cost of training.