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Just comparing the numbers, it will be a close match to the 300, but it will have a smaller price point due to cabin size and range. Also, Bombardier knows there are many, many current Lear owners out there die-hard devoted to the Lear name. The 85 will be a huge hit with current owners looking to upgrade, if the economy will allow it.
Word is we are getting the first 4. Looks like 2012 at the earliest, and that may change now that Grob is out of the picture and Bombardier has to do all the preliminary work.
Only time will tell!
My question is, Why would anyone want the first four of ANY new airplane being built? Especially an all composite airplane from a manufacturer that has no composite experience.
My question is, Why would anyone want the first four of ANY new airplane being built? Especially an all composite airplane from a manufacturer that has no composite experience.
Well, you do know that the parent company of FlexJet is Bombardier, don't you?
So, since somebody has to be the initial quality inspector, why not us? And, I doubt anybody else could put more time and cycles on the airframe than us.
I think the info Airambo has provided is more accurate than mine. 7 airframes and a pause in production while we put time on them.
I'm interested in more on the "Brushless Elec engine starters that do not use APU Air" Thus eliminating the APU altogether. It must have an onboard GPU elec Air Cond unit or it'll be forced to use PCA from the FBO.
By not having an APU saves a lot of weight.
Also, does anyone see the Geared turbofan tech getting down to smaller engines? Before 2015.
Well, it kind of is a confusing term. We still need an APU or a GPU. These brushless motors are just high tech starter/generators. Just that a typical engine of this size is air started. The Lear 60 has the same series engines, and the same starters. And with out a gpu, we kind of mutter a small prayer before we try to start.
With all the high tech glass cockpits, we still need aux. power to do any kind of setup. And, a GPU or APU still aids in a cooler start.
Well, it kind of is a confusing term. We still need an APU or a GPU. These brushless motors are just high tech starter/generators. Just that a typical engine of this size is air started. The Lear 60 has the same series engines, and the same starters. And with out a gpu, we kind of mutter a small prayer before we try to start.
With all the high tech glass cockpits, we still need aux. power to do any kind of setup. And, a GPU or APU still aids in a cooler start.
The stuff I read made me curious. I used to be a Dash 8 CA. My airline didn't use APU's on the Dash. We used a plug in GPU or external power for engine starting.
From what I read, and I could be wrong or wrongly interpreted it. The Lear 85 will not have an onboard APU. A savings of 400 lbs? It would use an onboard elec air conditioning unit powered by GPU/external air, since all FBO's have External elec power units available but not all have air conditioning carts or PCA.
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That they might leave out the APU for weight may be true, I don't know. None of our Classic 60's (well, except one) have an APU and we have gotten by ok. But, the XR's all do have one, and it really is a needed device, in my opinion. The electronics just drain so much juice out of the batteries, you have less than 20 minutes or so before things start blinking on you. If you get to some of the airports we go to that just don't have a GPU, setups are a problem. And, we do go to plenty of smaller fields.
I think it would be a serious step back to have an aircraft with that size and capability, and not be able to provide the owners with A/C or heat because you are in podunk city. Not what they are paying for.
But, not my ball to run with,,,,I just drive the bus.
Me thinks the APU is essential. The 400 pounds savings isn't worth the trade off for a majority of operators. Nevermind about small airports with no access to a GPU, what about Teterboro or Van Nuys on a busy day. You'll eventually get one but maybe not when you need it. How about cooling your cabin In KLAS, KVNY, KDAL etc when there is no juice available. I've operated Westwinds for many years ( many with no APU) and the value of the APU was not lost on me. I've spent many an hour waiting my turn for the plug.
it will probably be an option like on the 45 where you can have either an air conditioner or apu or neither. if you don't have an apu then you are expected to start an engine to power everything including the air conditioner (if installed). from a maintenance standpoint its a huge cost savings (in the 45), not only from not having to work on the apu but also because you don't have that big bulky thing sitting above baggage so a lot of things are easier access for maintenance thus taking less time. there are several 40/45 customers that I know of that have gone with neither and just start up an engine to cool the cabin down. although they typically go through more emer batteries because they always want to power avionics before they start-up. i've only really seen around 2 air conditioners installed on a 45.
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