Executive Airshare
10-19-2015, 09:23 AM
#1921
New Hire
Joined APC: Oct 2015
Posts: 1
I applaud the recent email from Harry addressing the rumors about a retention and recruitment program along with a to-be-expected date for further info.
The vast majority of pilots here are actively seeking more lucrative opportunities, this is not news to anyone. However, what I don't believe gets conveyed on the message board is the other side of that coin. That same vast majority of pilots would stay if a few fundamental things change.
EAS has given many, me included, a lot. Quick upgrades, jet time, and a foot in the door to the corporate side of aviation. We are treated with respect in a non threatening work environment and taken care of on the road. The travel rules certainly aren't without their issues, but if anyone here says life on the road is miserable, their opinion is wrong is malicious.
But if any management is listening, please consider the following.
There is a mature group of pilots here, experienced, who want to stay. We fully understand we are not going to make American Airlines or Southwest pay rates. Economics are economics, we get it.
But 10 days of work in a row followed by half that number off is not sustainable nor is providing for a family making 80K. Sure, one can get by on such a lifestyle and compensation, but at some point one is almost forced to take another job out of dedication to family.
A couple standby days thrown into the above mention 10 changes everything. Having a day to cut the lawn, do laundry, eat dinner with the family shouldn't be a rare gift, it should be the norm. If not, the 5 days off following a rotation needs to be increased.
For the 12 year pay scale, I trust there will be mention of inflation adjustments thru-out its longevity. What ever number is next to year 12, will not be the same number in 12 years.
Retirement is another major concern of those who want to make a career here. Again, I am thankful for the match that we have now, but I'm also concerned like most Americans that I will not have enough when retirement comes. Not to mention that retirement age is only a failed medical away from being a lot sooner than planned.
Not being a publicly traded company, we have no idea except from hearing "we are financially strong" from our management how we are doing. I think I can speak for the group with this; If you are providing the schedule and compensation in line with our profits, and it is-what-it-is, I remain grateful. But if we can afford to increase the bennies here while remaining profitable, it's time.
I'd like to think if I ever had a chance to run things somewhere, someday, I would remember how it feels to be on this side. Employees are the greatest attribute to a company and should be treated with the same care and attention that we provide to our clients. There are many here that would stop filling out our logbooks if we knew the board members wanted the best for our group.
This is by far the best job I have ever had. It sucks that I'm at the end of the typical EAS pilot timeline and am speaking with other employers for opportunities to secure my future.
The vast majority of pilots here are actively seeking more lucrative opportunities, this is not news to anyone. However, what I don't believe gets conveyed on the message board is the other side of that coin. That same vast majority of pilots would stay if a few fundamental things change.
EAS has given many, me included, a lot. Quick upgrades, jet time, and a foot in the door to the corporate side of aviation. We are treated with respect in a non threatening work environment and taken care of on the road. The travel rules certainly aren't without their issues, but if anyone here says life on the road is miserable, their opinion is wrong is malicious.
But if any management is listening, please consider the following.
There is a mature group of pilots here, experienced, who want to stay. We fully understand we are not going to make American Airlines or Southwest pay rates. Economics are economics, we get it.
But 10 days of work in a row followed by half that number off is not sustainable nor is providing for a family making 80K. Sure, one can get by on such a lifestyle and compensation, but at some point one is almost forced to take another job out of dedication to family.
A couple standby days thrown into the above mention 10 changes everything. Having a day to cut the lawn, do laundry, eat dinner with the family shouldn't be a rare gift, it should be the norm. If not, the 5 days off following a rotation needs to be increased.
For the 12 year pay scale, I trust there will be mention of inflation adjustments thru-out its longevity. What ever number is next to year 12, will not be the same number in 12 years.
Retirement is another major concern of those who want to make a career here. Again, I am thankful for the match that we have now, but I'm also concerned like most Americans that I will not have enough when retirement comes. Not to mention that retirement age is only a failed medical away from being a lot sooner than planned.
Not being a publicly traded company, we have no idea except from hearing "we are financially strong" from our management how we are doing. I think I can speak for the group with this; If you are providing the schedule and compensation in line with our profits, and it is-what-it-is, I remain grateful. But if we can afford to increase the bennies here while remaining profitable, it's time.
I'd like to think if I ever had a chance to run things somewhere, someday, I would remember how it feels to be on this side. Employees are the greatest attribute to a company and should be treated with the same care and attention that we provide to our clients. There are many here that would stop filling out our logbooks if we knew the board members wanted the best for our group.
This is by far the best job I have ever had. It sucks that I'm at the end of the typical EAS pilot timeline and am speaking with other employers for opportunities to secure my future.
10-19-2015, 07:22 PM
#1923
New Hire
Joined APC: Oct 2015
Posts: 2
Originally Posted by fly95
Hey all new to the forums here. Have a couple of questions that I could not find while scrolling through this thread. Regarding to the schedule. On average are most pilots gone the full 12 days or do most people see home more often then that per month.
10-22-2015, 07:15 PM
#1926
Line Holder
Joined APC: May 2006
Posts: 28
Originally Posted by Texasflyer50
I have only heard rumors from a friend that almost went to work there. He is glad he didn't. I heard two people say they had a 12/3 schedule. Thats hard.
11-11-2015, 08:10 AM
#1927
On Reserve
Joined APC: Nov 2014
Posts: 11
Sup y'all? Why so quiet where there is so much to be said?
So what's new at EAS? I hear they have become desperate lately for pilot retention.
Prospective pilots, Use caution. And do your research before getting excited to join EAS.
Their pilot attrition has gone up to 44% turnover. An open Phenom 300 PIC spot recently has gone deferred by eligible senior pilots and word has it there was the possibility of it going to the street. Not sure where that sits today. That says something doesn't it? When there is a pay raise and a new shiny, larger aircraft, an additional type rating, Transport category flight experience, but yet current EAS pilots are smart enough to say "no thanks, I have no interest in being on two planes, I already work just about all of my on-days as it is now." And all those broken promises of AF's in the past, "you'll be removed off your current type as soon as you're released on the new type" never coming to fruition just AF blowing smoke and word has quickly gotten around the ranks that AF's comments are all Bull, so pilots defer.
Pilot experience at EAS is slipping. Some EAS account holders taking notice with the new faces and the vanishing of the friendly experienced faces they have had as pilots in the past. Making the fractional owner scratch their heads. Word has it at least one fractional account has resigned their interest in EAS for this reason.
I heard King air pilots are still leaving in droves for Wheels Up but yet EAS has no response to their pilot retention issues. At least two BE-300 PICs left in October for W.U. More to come.
Some have made comments recently about HM on the forum. Sure he has some abstract philosophies and agendas. But who really needs to leave is AF. Your pilot retention may improve if AF was to step down. Want to improve your operations may want to consider that. No?
All error accountability falls onto the PIC regardless if the PIC did it or not, or if he was even aware of the issue or not prior to being blind sided by AF's phone call and interrogating tone of voice. Maybe AF should hold the correct department accountable for those errors rather than always calling out the PIC. Sometimes the pilot has no knowledge of it, with AF's response being "well you should've known. This was avoidable." Sure some. But most are inappropriate chastisings. Most pilots reactions being W T F, that's sales, or scheduling, or the FBOs doing, not ours!
Pilots have demanded pay and schedule improvements only for HM to send out a very P.C. email and no further contact or details.
The resignations continue. More to come awaiting class dates and resignations for the new employer. But still no adjustments by EAS.
Be cautious with EAS, prospective pilots.
So what's new at EAS? I hear they have become desperate lately for pilot retention.
Prospective pilots, Use caution. And do your research before getting excited to join EAS.
Their pilot attrition has gone up to 44% turnover. An open Phenom 300 PIC spot recently has gone deferred by eligible senior pilots and word has it there was the possibility of it going to the street. Not sure where that sits today. That says something doesn't it? When there is a pay raise and a new shiny, larger aircraft, an additional type rating, Transport category flight experience, but yet current EAS pilots are smart enough to say "no thanks, I have no interest in being on two planes, I already work just about all of my on-days as it is now." And all those broken promises of AF's in the past, "you'll be removed off your current type as soon as you're released on the new type" never coming to fruition just AF blowing smoke and word has quickly gotten around the ranks that AF's comments are all Bull, so pilots defer.
Pilot experience at EAS is slipping. Some EAS account holders taking notice with the new faces and the vanishing of the friendly experienced faces they have had as pilots in the past. Making the fractional owner scratch their heads. Word has it at least one fractional account has resigned their interest in EAS for this reason.
I heard King air pilots are still leaving in droves for Wheels Up but yet EAS has no response to their pilot retention issues. At least two BE-300 PICs left in October for W.U. More to come.
Some have made comments recently about HM on the forum. Sure he has some abstract philosophies and agendas. But who really needs to leave is AF. Your pilot retention may improve if AF was to step down. Want to improve your operations may want to consider that. No?
All error accountability falls onto the PIC regardless if the PIC did it or not, or if he was even aware of the issue or not prior to being blind sided by AF's phone call and interrogating tone of voice. Maybe AF should hold the correct department accountable for those errors rather than always calling out the PIC. Sometimes the pilot has no knowledge of it, with AF's response being "well you should've known. This was avoidable." Sure some. But most are inappropriate chastisings. Most pilots reactions being W T F, that's sales, or scheduling, or the FBOs doing, not ours!
Pilots have demanded pay and schedule improvements only for HM to send out a very P.C. email and no further contact or details.
The resignations continue. More to come awaiting class dates and resignations for the new employer. But still no adjustments by EAS.
Be cautious with EAS, prospective pilots.
11-11-2015, 11:54 AM
#1928
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2013
Position: Upright
Posts: 120
Well I was just DQ'd on the 350 today and only PIC on the 300. We had another guy DQ'd on the 100 at the end of October an other guy is dropping the 100 at the end of this month, and there are a handful of other guys that have been on one plane for a while. Are there guys passing on the 300? Yes there are they like the equipment they are on. The 300’s are not for everybody. The plane goes and goes. So expect to be gone from home more then the other planes. So I guess your info is a little out dated. There is an announcement coming within the next 10 days on a pilot enhancement package. What it is I don’t know, all I heard was that the pilots would be impressed and that didn’t come from HM. As far as AF goes, I have never had a problem with him. I think the guys that do don’t have there **** together. Anytime I have called or emailed him I had all my ducks in a row. If you call him and haven’t done any research then yes you will have a problem. I was a chief pilot for 8 years and I would do the same as he did if guys called and didn’t do there due diligence. Is EAS the best place in the world? Nope. Are there better places? Sure. Are there worst places? Absolutely.
11-11-2015, 03:56 PM
#1929
Line Holder
Joined APC: Nov 2013
Posts: 51
Originally Posted by runsky42
Well I was just DQ'd on the 350 today and only PIC on the 300. We had another guy DQ'd on the 100 at the end of October an other guy is dropping the 100 at the end of this month, and there are a handful of other guys that have been on one plane for a while. Are there guys passing on the 300? Yes there are they like the equipment they are on. The 300’s are not for everybody. The plane goes and goes. So expect to be gone from home more then the other planes. So I guess your info is a little out dated. There is an announcement coming within the next 10 days on a pilot enhancement package. What it is I don’t know, all I heard was that the pilots would be impressed and that didn’t come from HM. As far as AF goes, I have never had a problem with him. I think the guys that do don’t have there **** together. Anytime I have called or emailed him I had all my ducks in a row. If you call him and haven’t done any research then yes you will have a problem. I was a chief pilot for 8 years and I would do the same as he did if guys called and didn’t do there due diligence. Is EAS the best place in the world? Nope. Are there better places? Sure. Are there worst places? Absolutely.
The point ( I think) that he was trying to make amidst all the AF bashing was that guys are turning down a substantial pay raise into a new type rating because it's THAT BAD. Most if not all of this pilot group is still very heavily into career progression, so to turn down fresh ink on your cert definitely says something.
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